Let's look at one example, when for about the same money you can get two completely different cars that will make it possible to overcome impassability. True, these cars will not be exactly the same weight category in terms of off-road and comfort, but it's always nice when you can choose! And today we will look at the bestseller in the compact crossover class from automotive giant Renault- Renault Duster and our domestic, everyone's favorite old - good UAZ Patriot.
Since we are comparing two "rogues", in fairness, let's forget for a moment that the "Duster" has front-wheel drive versions, and go straight to the 4x4 versions.
Both cars in "all-wheel drive" configurations cost around 800,000 rubles, and let's see what these two cars can offer the consumer.
Renault Duster engines
Duster offers two petrol engines and one diesel. Junior gasoline - 1.6 liters and 117 hp. motor with the index HR16DE-H4M, aggregated only with a 6-speed mechanical box gear (from 739,990 rubles). This motor is very unpretentious to gasoline and maintenance and is quite reliable. It has chain drive Timing and does not have hydraulic lifters, so with a run of 100,000 km it will be useful to "climb" into the motor to replace the chain and adjust the valve clearance.
The senior gasoline engine in the Duster arsenal is a two-liter F4R with a capacity of 143 hp. There are also no particular complaints about this motor, it is old, or as the guys in car dealerships like to say, “time-tested”, everything has been known about it for a long time, and it usually will not bring absolutely no surprises. Timing drive - belt, there are also no hydraulic lifters, but due to the fact that the cylinder block is made of cast iron, there are problems with overhaul F4R will not. In practice, the motor rolls back 250 - 300 thousand kilometers without any problems. Gearbox - 6-speed "mechanics" (from 875,990 rubles) or 4-speed "automatic" (from 920,990 rubles).
The third and last engine is a 1.5 turbodiesel with 109 hp. having the K9K index, it is aggregated only with a 6-speed manual transmission (from 905,990 rubles). In fact, this is a very controversial engine and the owners of cars with this diesel engine are divided into two camps: for some it has broken down, for others it drives. In fact, it all depends on the operation and maintenance of a particular unit. In order not to have problems, it is necessary to change the oil in the engine at least once every 10,000 km and not save on original synthetic oils. The Achilles' heel of this motor is the system direct injection fuel common rail Delphi, it is very demanding on quality diesel fuel and in order to warn yourself against chips in the high-pressure fuel pump or replacing expensive nozzles after 10,000 km, it is better to fill in diesel fuel at proven gas stations.
Renault Duster gearboxes
There are no questions about the mechanics, it is simple and reliable, which is very important on an “SUV”, but there are a lot of unpleasant things about the machine.
Until recently, it was impossible to buy a Duster or Terrano with all-wheel drive and automatic transmission. All simply because Renault did not have its own all-wheel drive transmission, and putting the variator on the bestseller in Russia meant putting an end to everything. The guys in Reno, without thinking twice (somewhere around a couple of years), fitted to their front-wheel drive automatic transmission DP2 gearbox to transmit torque to another axle, and called it DP8.
It was made adaptive by installing a Siemens control unit, and it was completely “lost”. When driving through city traffic, these boxes do not always understand what they want from them, especially downshifts for DP boxes are very difficult. Renault is one of the most serious automakers in the world, how did they manage to make a box that gets lost in all their four gears, I do not understand. The problems of this box, in addition to its behavior, come out closer to 100,000 km. Most often, this is overheating due to the strong slipping of the friction clutches. If you change the oil in the box every 60,000 km, and perhaps this problem will bypass or perhaps not, no one can give a 100% guarantee.
UAZ Patriot engines
UAZ Patriot can offer only two engines: a 2.2-liter diesel engine with a capacity of 113 forces, having the ZMZ-51432 index (from 1,099,990 rubles) and a 2.7-liter gasoline engine with a capacity of 135 forces, having the ZMZ-40905 index (from 779,000 rubles ).
Gasoline ZMZ-40905 is an in-line "four" cast iron, which is "crowned" by a 16-valve aluminum cylinder head, in which there are hydraulic lifters, and due to which it is no longer necessary to adjust the valve clearances. Timing drive - chain. The chain needs to be changed every 100,000 km, but since all UAZ cars are different cars, someone can roll back 200,000 km without problems, and someone can have an open circuit with all the ensuing consequences on a run of about 50,000 km. Experienced UAZ drivers advise to revise the chain of dampers and hydraulic tensioners in the area of the indicated mileage in order to avoid costly repairs.
It is also worth remembering the electrician, which is very poor in quality, often failing ignition coils, a gasoline pump, and all kinds of sensors. Hydraulic lifters can start knocking by 50,000 km, an “oil burner” appears, the engine can overheat, or vice versa - do not warm up to operating temperature In other words, anything can happen to him.
Diesel ZMZ-51432 is also an in-line cast-iron "four" with a turbocharger, which was driven into environmental class EURO-4, which is actually its problem. The thing is that this diesel engine, like all modern diesel engines, installed a function to prevent the exit of visible smoke from the exhaust pipe Smoke Limit, due to which our "diesel" just stopped going to 2000 rpm. As they say - it does not smoke and does not go. Usually this problem is solved by firmware on EURO-2 and the motor begins to live a different life, although the car becomes less environmentally friendly.
Also, the CRS system does not give rest, since it is very demanding on the quality of fuel, and when refueling with low-quality "diesel fuel", there is a high probability that you can "get" to replace the injectors, and this is at least.
Gearbox UAZ Patriot
Both motors are aggregated with a 5-speed manual transmission, and no "automatic" for UAZ is yet provided. Main couple The checkpoint has different gear ratios: For gasoline engine- 4.11, and for diesel - 4.625. Fuel consumption for gasoline engine declared in combined cycle about 11.5 l / 100 km, but this is far from the case, and if you decide to buy a Patriot, get ready for at least 12 liters on the highway and from 14 to 18 in the city ... in summer conditions. The winter consumption of this "sperm whale" depends on the severity of winter in your region. diesel engine significantly more economical: consumption under the same conditions can be less than 10 liters per 100 km.
Transmission Renault Duster and UAZ Patriot
In fact, talking about Renault as a real all-wheel drive is not worth it, since most of the time it is a front-wheel drive car, with a plug-in rear wheel drive through the clutch (when slipping into slippage of the front axle). And then only up to a speed of 40 km / h, after which rear axle turns off successfully. It is also possible to forcibly lock the differential, and the car will still become all-wheel drive for a short time, but due to the design features, the clutch tends to overheat and the car becomes front-wheel drive again until the clutch cools down.
New UAZ Patriot 2015 model year equipped with all-wheel drive Part-Time, which rigidly connects the front axle through a two-stage transfer box Dymos equipped with electric drive management.
Suspension Renault Duster and UAZ Patriot
Front suspension Duster - MacPherson strut with telescopic hydraulic shock absorbers. Back - two types. On front wheel drive vehicles semi-dependent, on all-wheel drive - independent multi-link.
UAZ uses a scheme that has been proven, I’m not afraid of these words, for decades - the old spring link suspension front and spring - rear. Meanwhile, the current version is distinguished by the installation of two anti-roll bars front and rear, which ensures minimal reduction in body roll when cornering.
Security Renault Duster and UAZ Patriot
The set of security systems Renault Duster varies depending on the level of equipment. For Authentique versions, a driver's airbag and child restraint are provided. ISOFIX seats; from electronic systems There is ABS with a brake force distribution system. IN Luxe equipment Privilege car, in addition to the above, has a front passenger airbag and side airbags. For a surcharge Duster can be equipped with a system exchange rate stability. In EuroNCAP crash tests, the Dacia Duster analogue showed a satisfactory result, which is a failure for a family car.
If the first produced versions of the UAZ Patriot could only boast of seat belts, then since 2007, individual modifications began to be equipped with anti-lock braking system ABS brakes and brake force distribution (EBD). Then the UAZ Patriot received a new steering, which is distinguished by a safe steering shaft that breaks in a frontal impact, preventing a catastrophic displacement of the steering wheel inside the cabin.
Like these ones different cars for about the same amount of money.
Renault Duster or UAZ Patriot, what to buy?
Duster is much more pleasant in motion, in it you will not feel the vibration of the "razdatka" it stands well on the road and general design the car will be, although not the latest, but much more modern than the Patriot layout.
Patriot is the kind of car that a random person will not buy. Although the manufacturer is trying to make it more urban, it is initially difficult to implement. Do not make galoshes running shoes, even if you draw beautiful applications on them. This is the car that looks very good on the northern winter roads and on difficult country roads, washed out after rain, and the unreliability of the design more than pays off with the availability and cheapness of spare parts, and the ease of repair that can be done in the field with a simple set of tools.
I read the first entries on the wall of our group and the first thing that caught my eye was the guys, and this is the first ready theme for discussion! Let `s start? So after all - who sees the Duster and how, how much will it cost and does it have a chance in the tough competition in the market?
Sergey (Kapitolina) My opinion is that the top versions are, of course, a good thing, but the Duster was originally conceived as the cheapest, in fact, a budget crossover. And interior decoration, With minimal changes inherited from the old Logan, direct proof of this. I see competitors, first of all, the Chevrolet Niva, Niva 4x4, UAZ-Patriot. Koleos was originally a car of a different level, so I consider all comparisons simply incorrect. It never occurs to anyone to compare Logan with Megans and Lagoons!
Denis (Magge) It is also incorrect to compare with Patriot.
Patras real SUV with a frame, continuous bridges in a circle and a lowering. He has a huge salon, 9-seater (although they are already releasing a shortened version of Sport). The maximum price with an Italian diesel engine is up to 700,000 rubles (Sport-500,000 rubles max). Shniva, although it does not have a frame, but the rest of the signs of a zhYpa on the face are uncut rear axle, locking center differential, ponizhayka in razdatka. The maximum price is 500000. Well, there is no need to talk about the old Niva. Kutsy 4-seater saloon (three-door version), small trunk(even in the long-wheelbase VAZ-2131 model), noisy transmission, etc. But the owners are ready to forgive all this only for the fact that the shorty is climbing on shit. It costs 315000 3-door and 335000 5-door version. The Duster is not even suitable for one characteristic. It will be faster, probably more economical, but you need to be extremely careful to drive it off the asphalt, unlike the above cars. Yes, and the price still apparently starts from 700. So you need to look for other opponents. :0))
Sergey (Kapitolina) So, how I see my future Duster based on the principle of reasonable sufficiency. Since the problem with fuel quality is still relevant in Russia, I won’t take risks with a diesel engine - it’s enough if not very powerful, but high-torque gasoline engine. Box - mechanical, adaptation to our winters. Of the amenities and other features - condo and music (even as options). ground clearance and good geometry will help you feel more confident on broken country roads. If the French with such a machine manage to keep within the range from 450 to 500 thousand, then honor and praise be to them! Shniv will have a more than worthy opponent! Especially if the Duster turns out to be Logan-style reliable and well-assembled.
Sergey (Kapitolina) Denis, how many people need it? To crawl through shit and stuff? I know a couple of Shnivy owners who practically do not leave the asphalt. It is precisely on them that the front-wheel drive version of the Duster is oriented. All-wheel drive versions of both Shnivy and Duster I think are simple ... To satisfy my ambitions, let's say so. To show off in front of friends and girlfriends - in, I have four-wheel drive envy me! If you want full, get full! And for serious off-road, of course, the Niva 4x4 is better, and the UAZ-469 is even better. And in general, any fan of "climbing shit" should always remember one common truth - the cooler the jeep, the further to run after the tractor!)
Sergey (Kapitolina) And the top versions of the Duster... For God's sake, let there be diesel and automatic and all-wheel drive. But a fully fancy version should not go over the mark of 700-800 thousand. With such prices, you can compete with both the Chinese and the Kia Sportage. The main thing here is that Renault does not impose anything and allows people to choose the options and bells and whistles they need. By the way, to the question of whether people need an all-terrain vehicle or a car of a more prestigious class - somewhere I came across information that 70% of the Kashkays sold are front-wheel drive.
Sergey (Kapitolina) With the Patriot, I may have got excited, but the Duster is designed for those people who buy Niva and Shnivy just because there are no other crossovers on the market for that kind of money. And for those logan drivers who dream of changing to a more prestigious car class, but they cannot do it for financial reasons. And I think there will be a lot of them.
Evgeny (Badra) Ukrainian Dusters (when transferring to our 1g = 3, 82 rubles) start:
FROM
BASE 1, 6 16v (102 hp) 4х2 ..................................... .....506500 rub
BEFORE
LAUREATE 1, 5 Diesel (110 hp) 4х4 .........................710020 rub
+
air conditioning, music, fog lights, etc.
Full information in the price lists on www.renault.ua
Denis (Magge) Add "services" of the Russian customs 30% to the price.
Sergey (Kapitolina) What to feed customs officers is better to wait for the beginning Russian assembly. Prices may be announced this year, when the Duster will be presented at the Moscow Motor Show.
Roman (Nasira) I envy my Ukrainian brothers - fiercely and madly envy. They have diesel
Sergey (Kapitolina) Roman, I wouldn't refuse diesel either, but... I have already expressed my opinion on this issue in the next topic.
Pavel (Yaoz) Denis, it will be collected from us, so car kits will be taxed and it will be much lower...
Roman, it seems that we will also have, and also 2-liter gasoline, an automatic machine and an updated interior, and even in connection with local assembly, all this may not come out very expensive!
Sergey, in vain you are so skeptical about all-wheel drive, I live in the Moscow region and I’ll tell you even 20 km from the capital in winter it’s not always possible to comfortably drive to the house ... Now I drive a front-wheel drive Qashqai and I really regret that I didn’t add all wheel drive!
Denis (Magge) Yes, for SUVs, the presence of all-wheel drive promises nothing but problems for the owners. After all, people think that they have zhYp, they slide off the asphalt and break off hard. :0)))
Pavel (Yaoz) Well, people who do not know the capabilities of their car should not be given keys at all, because they can go through the turn at speed hoping for ESP or overtaking to complete head-on overestimating the available hp...
Denis (Magge) Unfortunately, 80% of all drivers rule this way. I dragged the parquet from trifling ambushes immeasurably. And often with quite serious damage to them. Neither the suspension, nor the plastics, nor the delicate electronics can withstand rough handling. But people understand this only when it is time to run after the tractor. They don’t have any jacks (and they don’t need them, there’s nothing to jack under, plastic is everywhere), no shovels, no saws with an ax. In short, vegetables. :0)))
Alexander (Madoc) Here's an all-wheel drive Duster for me - just right. For that "off-road" on which I often travel is already hard for Logan, but for Shniva it is not off-road at all))) Moreover, there is experience in operating the latter and this experience is rather sad. Yes, and it will be expensive to feed her all-wheel drive. As for the "special equipment", after spending the night in the forest mud I carry with me a shovel, an ax, and put boards under the wheels)))
Roman (Nasira) Unlike patriot, shnivy, cornfield and others like it, I really want to believe that the quality of the duster will be at the logan level. Who needs a car and an honest four-wheel drive - they will buy a Vitara, l200, cruiser, patrol or padzherik. Whom the toad strangles on x-trail or similar - imho, quite a target group for a duster. And who needs a bucket of nuts - please, UAZ, VAZ and GM-AvtoVAZ produce thousands of them))))
Denis (Magge) What does Logan have quality in some place??? Here it is painted better, this is obvious, but otherwise it does not crumble worse than VAZ and some are even better. And it's not about the "human factor" of the owner. :0))))
Alexander (Madoc) It's strange, I have 2 Logans under my direct control, and they don't fall at all))
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Hello everyone. I sold the field, the choice fell on UAZ Patriot and Renault Duster, who will advise what of these two cars. Maybe there was experience with them, I’m interested in cross-country ability, and how often both break
Victor (Kiley) In what conditions will you operate the car?
7 (Mahipa) I don’t drive on shit 40% steppe sometimes mud 60% asphalt well in winter in snow shorter car goes to the village
FartON (Mendel) Take a patriot, at least it is easy to get spare parts for him, and any equipment breaks down just some earlier, another later
Victor (Kiley) Then Duster. (Behind the wheel, they compared the shniva and the duster. Duster for light off-road, Shniva is already more serious. And UAZ is already for shit. If you drove in the field and didn’t row bridges, then drive on the Duster according to your mind. And CONSUMPTION seems to me in the duster is less than that of a patriot)
7 (Mahipa) I honestly like Patrick, but one word uaz scares that zae...t it's almost like a lawn and I'm afraid that's how it will remain for me to sell it, I think it's unrealistic
7 (Mahipa) I watched a lot of videos, the duster is practically not inferior to the field, and in the snow I saw it better than the Chevy, although it’s hard to believe
Alexander (Adeltraut) I saw a video where hefty jeeps, like Lexus, etc. are much better than fields we drove through the snow due to the power and mass, so nothing surprising.
Yuri (Muna) look at YouTube test drives and you will understand everything yourself
Alexey (Ramond) Duster and Niva are here and there is nothing to think Niva 100 percent everywhere and mud and snow will go better
alexey (Ramond) even in terms of ground clearance, it is understandable that the cornfield will crawl through better.
Victor (Kiley) Duster can and will make a field in the snow. But in good mud or along a kale you will tear off the exhaust system on the duster (the most weakness, This exhaust system) and the field will just hang and pull it out and pull out the exhaust on the duster.
7 (Mahipa) B price category both UAZ and Duster are the same, but the Niva is a good car for 10 years on them, but honestly fed up with it already. I wanted a Chevy, but today I didn’t approach anyone who owns them, everyone says the engine is not enough, it doesn’t pull especially with a load
Victor (Kiley) I agree, the motors are the same. and the weight is different from here and the traction is worse and the suspension in the Chevy is weaker (it starts to crumble faster)
7 (Mahipa) Today I went for a test drive on a patrick, the height is good and there is traction and lateral stability I was surprised, he doesn’t roll, he keeps the track well, but as soon as he drives into the sand and everything doesn’t go like it burrows into oil, the front end starts to beat and starts jumping from behind, it throws up.
Andrey (Lucio) duster mator kopeck piece is like a cornfield in the snow and a cornfield in the snow does not drive look at the duster from cockroach whiskers and configuration I like 1 and 6 mehanka front-wheel drive everything else from the duster is money down the drain, but about a patriot, in general, drive these thoughts out of your head if something is a hunter, at least for the money and it turned out quite well, but before you take it, you need to replace the wheel at least once on it, otherwise the vedb is not a Lada at minus 9 the windows are already tightened by 20 percent of the stove, it’s clearly not enough tanks that the curse from the main one will gobble up and under it unscrew the hose from the main pump and screw it to the full one, then pump everything back to its original position and the battery is dead and frost or midges eats and this crap on all uazhunters in the 21st century I I think who this curse puts them there, it’s time to shoot it, the real enemies of the domestic industry are easier drain plug and into the canister and then into the main tank and into the place of the second tank a shelf under the canisters than to pay for such crap
7 (Mahipa) Hunter is gone right away, you need both comfort and more or less a car in general for almost all occasions
Andrey (Lucio) then you dive into the duster and there is a run-up according to the price tag of 400 thousand from the configuration, just take the front interior without podergons so that the climate control on the big knobs is beautiful on the buttons, these dusters do not break, do not wear glasses, and consumables clutch release 2800 discs from 8000 as in other on any car, I’ll repeat it again, it doesn’t break, sometimes the backlight in the panel burns out 2 or 3 times a year, but a very delicate body with these solid stiffeners, the metal is very thin, stuffed foam from the inside everywhere so that it doesn’t wrinkle if you take it carefully, take a good car
Andrey (Lucio) Yes, I almost forgot about the main thing in Renault, if it tears, then everything immediately oppresses right up to brotherly hands main pulley without tags, like a ford, you yourself lied to replace everything again, let it go, let’s have a good car and expensive repairs
Andrey (Lucio) and kopeck pieces in Renault have been bent and torn since the 98s, they have been putting them on Muscovites2141 These motors have torn boxes at once for Muscovites when driving 90 km / h, you press the trigger to a knockdown and the cars grind very nicely and for the most time everything in Renault remains unchanged precisely in budget
Andrew (Lucio) one valve per motor 150ue yes but you can find a head for 500 bucks by mask
What better Renault Duster or UAZ Patriot: comparison video
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Renault Duster or UAZ Patriot - which is better and what to choose?
Renault Duster or UAZ Patriot - comparison test two cars. What to choose Duster or Patriot, because UAZ Patriot is against Renault Duster.
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UAZ Patriot or Renault Duster - which is better?
Many potential buyers of SUVs in Russia are faced with the need to compare various models. Detailed overview car gives full information about machines, their characteristics and functionality. Such material allows you to identify the pros and cons of the future car, and also allows buyers to deal with the choice. desired car. In the Russian Federation, 2 SUVs are especially popular - this is the Patriot from UAZ and the Duster from Renault.
External differences, interior.
Considering appearance Both models involuntarily understand that Renault has advanced much further in terms of design. The Duster car has more pleasant outlines, rounded streamlined body shapes than the Patriot. The modern appearance of Renault Duster allows it to be one of the most popular crossovers in Russia today.
It is worth noting that in the interior of the car, the French distinguished themselves by greater concern for the owner, installing maximum amount convenient features, additional options and accessories. In this regard, the Patriot can be called budget option and only last year it began to catch up a little when the 2014 model came out with an updated media system on dashboard, which includes touch screen. It must be said that new Duster It has updated interior which also includes the best upholstery, information display with touch control.
Driving performance.
UAZ Patriot or Renault Duster is worth comparing, of course, first of all by internal characteristics. Here everything is not as clear as in the last paragraph, since each of the cars has its own advantages. A test drive in urban conditions showed that Renault Duster has better handling and good maneuverability pavement. The Patriot also showed good performance, he enters corners quite confidently, holds the clutch perfectly, manages such a large angular rear wheel drive car much more difficult than Duster. The latter feels great in traffic jams and saturated city traffic.
But when driving off-road and country dirt roads Patriot is a little ahead. The fact is that UAZ knows firsthand about the quality of roads in Russia and developed its car with this nuance in mind. During the test drive, Duster showed quite confident performance in overcoming rough terrain, but the French equipped the car with less stable materials for the manufacture of the body and rubber.
The Patriot, on the other hand, has an advantage in climbing at 100 km / h, after which it has a slight decline. Interestingly, the Duster looks better in this indicator and after 100 km / h reveals additional features.
In addition, the Patriot and Duster of the latest modifications have the same ground clearance: 21 cm. Advantage domestic car from UAZ it is also obtained thanks to a longer wheelbase, it is able to overcome a ford 50 cm deep. Renault Duster is designed on the basis passenger car Logan.
Conclusions.
What to choose UAZ Patriot or Renault Duster, each consumer must decide for himself, based on the knowledge gained. The best solution would be to determine in advance in which area the car will be used more often. Patriot is ideal for suburban difficult road sections, Renault Duster is more focused on city driving and rough terrain with small obstacles.
Comparison table
Below is comparison table for Renault Duster and UAZ Patriot models, which compares the most basic configurations two cars!
