However, it often happens that the documents for the car indicate one amount of horsepower, but in fact it turns out to be another, which is often less than documented.
In this regard, car owners often face the question of whether it is possible to legally reduce the amount of horsepower?
Where is the engine power indicated on the data sheet?
Until now, Russia has a dual system for indicating this value - in horsepower and kilowatts.
However, since 2010, in accordance with the requirements of domestic and international legislation, the horsepower should be considered only as an auxiliary unit, since it has been completely removed from the international system of units of measurement due to its obsolescence.
Despite this requirement, in the technical documents for the car, for example, in the vehicle passport or in the registration certificate, two values \u200b\u200bare indicated - both in kilowatts and in horsepower.
In addition, up to now in technical catalogs on vehicles that automakers produce for Russian Federation, the power of car engines in them is also indicated using two units - kilowatts and horsepower.
Is it possible to reduce the amount of horsepower in the TCP?
This question is most often asked by the owners of those cars whose power exceeds 120 kW and forces them to pay a fairly large transport tax, which places a heavy burden on the family budget. The answer to it depends on which way the car owner wants to use - legal or not.
Legal entails spending enough a large number time and effort, however, the results will not only reduce the recorded engine power, but will also minimize the risk of being prosecuted for fraud.
The illegal option is less labor intensive, but using it can lead to criminal liability for fraud against the state.
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If we talk about legal methods, then power reduction in this case can be carried out in three ways:
- Correction of an earlier error in the preparation of registration documents.
- Installation of a new engine with the appropriate indication of replacement in all registration documents.
- The actual reduction of engine power (in other words, deforcing) with the subsequent examination of new engine indicators and the introduction of the corresponding genius in all indicators.
However, each of these methods will end in the same way - a visit to the MREO to issue a new title for the car.
How to save on such changes?
The car owner may have several reasons to reduce engine power. One of the main should be considered the ability to reduce the size transport tax, which is paid annually and can be up to 100 thousand rubles or more.
Changing the engine power according to the TCP may also be required if the car owner is sure that obvious errors were made when filling out the relevant section when filling out the registration documents for his vehicle, and the information indicated in it is incorrect.
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We act officially: the algorithm of work
In the event that we are talking about such a correction of the power of the car engine, the following actions must be taken:
- At the first stage, it is necessary to contact the department of the MREO traffic police that carried out the initial registration of the vehicle with the issuance of a title and write a corresponding application. The text of the application contains information about the error found and on the basis of which documents it needs to be corrected.
- In the event that, on the basis of the documents provided, the traffic police refuse to issue a corrected vehicle passport, the car owner can take one of the following steps at his discretion.
- The first step in this case will be to contact an authorized dealer who can provide an extract from the officially published catalog of models of this brand, operating on the territory of the Russian Federation. This extract indicates all the technical parameters of the car, including the power of the engine installed by the manufacturer.
- Another option would also be to contact the official dealer of your car brand, who will do the turnkey procedure, but in order to obtain an official conclusion from the dealer’s representative on the technical condition of the car, including its compliance with the parameters stated in the official catalog.
The representative of the car dealer will conduct a full inspection of the vehicle for changes that may affect the increase in the engine power declared by the manufacturer and, if such changes are not found, issue an appropriate conclusion on behalf of the dealership indicating all the technical characteristics of the model, identified during the inspection.
Assessment of the state of the "heart" of the car
Modern legislation provides for two options to underestimate the power of the car, which can be done from the technical side.
They come down to an actual decrease in the number of horses. The only difference is whether it is done naturally or artificially.
A natural decrease in engine power occurs during its operation due to the wear of the main parts.
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In this case, a technical examination of the engine and its condition will help determine how much the actual engine power has become less than the declared one.
It is carried out in special certified centers that have technical capability carry out such a check.
An artificial reduction in power comes down to either replacing the engine with a less powerful one, or deforcing it, that is, removing all those structural elements that significantly increase power. However, both of these options are a direct intervention in the design features of the car engine and require mandatory coordination of all actions performed with the authorized bodies.
Decrease in engine power (or horsepower) recorded in vehicle title, always aims to reduce the costs of car owners or correct an earlier mistake in registration documents.
To date, the list of ways in which you can legally achieve a reduction in engine power, there is a fairly limited number, which does not make this operation less popular, even despite the high energy costs.
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Today I will talk about my experience of changing the amount of horsepower in the PTS of a car.
I will make a reservation right away: this method is suitable only for those whose strengths do not correspond to reality! For everyone who wants to make their cool vashka 120 horses according to documents, this method will not work.
In my case, the car was designed by a designer, in the column "Power" there were 265 forces (this was only on versions with 1UZ-FE). When purchasing the car, I already read a little about how to solve this issue, so I did not worry too much. In fact, there were only 225 horsepower in the engine (ICE 2JZ-GE). Even less, they died of old age, but this is not relevant)
What is the course of action?
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1. The very first thing to do is to make sure that your documents really indicate the wrong power values!
2. Second, no less important - be sure to check whether the engine number matches that specified in the TCP.
3. Check the site gibdd.ru if there are any problems with your machine.
4. If the first three points are passed successfully, we go to the center of expertise. In Khabarovsk, this is done by the Far Eastern Expertise and Assessment, located on Yashin 40.
You take the documents for the car and go there. There, the uncle expert checks whether this particular engine should really be installed according to your body number. If so, it issues a certificate stating that the real power is indicated incorrectly. The cost of the procedure is small (to be honest, I already forgot, about 500 rubles).
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5. Help received? Great. We're going for a ride. I performed two procedures at once: I registered the car for myself and underestimated my strength. Therefore, the statement indicated "Register the vehicle." If the car is already on you, then you need to write "Change information in the TCP" or something like that.
Ask the inspector to verify the engine number! In my case, it was also indicated, just in case, "ICE without turbocharging." This was suggested to me by the inspector himself.
6. We make insurance (if necessary), pay a fee for registration actions, go to the traffic police.
7. We approach the window with a full package of documents. What you need to give the inspector:
Electronic queue ticket
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Receipt of payment of duty
Purchase agreement (if applicable)
Information from the Far Eastern Economic Society
You inform the traffic police officer that you have received a certificate and would like to change the engine power in the documents. The inspector inspected the engine during reconciliation and indicated this in the application. You received the certificate yourself from the above-mentioned company. The expert examined your car and catalogs, based on this he issued a certificate.
Now events can develop in two directions:
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8a. The inspector nods understandingly, tells you to wait for new documents.
8b. The inspector is sincerely surprised, says that this edit has no power and it is impossible to underestimate the power, nothing can be changed in the constructors at all (or comes up with any other excuse). In this case, we nod, do not argue and do not swear.
We are trying to ask you to enter into your position, like "well, the engine is really not so powerful, but it turns out I will pay for it in vain, it's unfair." If the inspector is not a fool, then go to step 8a.
If he stands his ground, we ask you to issue a written refusal and inform you of your intention to go to court in order to restore your rights and justice.
9. We get PTS and COP with new data!
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Specifically, I visited both 8b and 8a. The first time I came with a package of documents, the employee refused to register me, answering all my arguments "YES YOU HAVE A DESIGNER!". After asking for a written waiver, he softened a bit, but still stood his ground. As a result, even an employee from the next window said, "Why are you torturing the guy, he brought all the documents."
It just so happened that anyway on that day I was not destined to complete everything. On the car, a ban on registration actions hung, which I also eventually won. But more on that in the next post.
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Judging by the post, we are talking about the fact that the examination issues a certificate stating that the corresponding engine has the appropriate power. Have you come across cases when the Expertise proved that part of the factory horses died and it is necessary to make changes to the TCP according to their actual number?
Such an examination does not deal with this, they only look at the engine and catalogs. And in this case, you need to take measurements on a dyno stand.
In Novosibirsk, there is a similar experience, I read it somewhere on the drive. But such a procedure is much more expensive (I don’t remember exactly, several tens of thousands) and takes a lot of time. There are precedents, that's for sure.
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I want to buy now Engine: gasoline, 5.2 l
Power: 215 HP
But taxes scare me...
So buy and install, just don't tell anyone about it)
The question is if you contact the dealer's office? just the same internal combustion engine has 249 hp and 252 and 306 from the dealer's office will help?
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To be honest, I don't know. But I think that since the car was bought from an authorized dealer, then there can be no mistake with the power in the TCP.
And if it was imported, then it is unlikely that the dealer will help at all
YOU WON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE CARS WHERE THE PHONE POINT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING))Yes rare cars, and 15 years ago there was no computer BASE)
At the first registration actions, the forces will write. I have twice bought a car without horses in TCP. When registering, they are entered
And if there are Forces, but they are underestimated? For example, in the car 300, and in the TCP 200? Don't you know?
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Depends on region and inspector. I know that in some regions they generally score, they don’t even look at their strength. And it happens that they write according to the catalog. Let's say if it costs 1jz-gte, and there are 200 forces in the TCP, they write 280 on the reconciliation and then they enter them during registration
In general, if there is a friend in the traffic police, then everything should work))
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One of the main services provided by our certification center is the reduction real power vehicle engine specified in the TCP. How does this happen? Engine power reduction in PTS can be achieved different ways. One of these methods is the re-equipment of the engine. It is also possible to reduce power if the actual physical parameters of the car allow it. For example, after testing, it will be established that the engine of your car no longer produces the power declared by the manufacturer due to the exhaustion of its resource or a technical malfunction. This is true for “borderline” power, for example, if you have 252 hp in your PTS, but in fact the engine produces 235 hp. The difference is not significant, but it greatly affects the calculation of transport tax. Thus, by reducing the power in the PTS, the total cash. You get significant savings on transport tax.
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Replacing the engine in PTS. Another common way is to replace the engine in the PTS. For example, you bought new engine in a store or ordered it from abroad and now want to replace it in the TCP. In this case, the traffic police will in every possible way prevent you from registering this procedure. Turning to our specialists, we will help you to arrange the replacement of the engine in the PTS as simply and quickly as possible, prepare the necessary and sufficient set of documents and register it with the traffic police. After that, changes will be made to your PTS regarding engine power. If you are interested in the question of how to change the engine power in PTS, we are happy to help you!
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How to reduce horsepower in PTS? In order to reduce the horsepower in the PTS, you can also reduce the operating modes of the turbines or mechanical superchargers or disable them altogether. In order to make changes to the TCP, it is necessary to obtain a conclusion on the re-equipment of the vehicle and a certificate of safety of the vehicle structure (SBKTS). We are an accredited organization authorized to carry out the specified re-equipment with subsequent amendments to the Vehicle Passport. It is possible to reduce horsepower (hp) in PTS by contacting our specialists. We will issue the necessary set of documents and contact the traffic police to make the appropriate changes. Understating the engine power will allow you not to pay the excessively accrued transport tax, while we will take all the necessary actions, you only need to provide documents for the car and a power of attorney for our employee.
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Change (reduction) of engine power in PTS
By replacing parts: cylinder head (cylinder head), ECU (electronic control unit), turbocharger, intake / exhaust systems, etc. Depending on engine model. decline environmental class unacceptable! (see the procedure for the conversion of vehicles from February 25, 2015).
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List of engines by make and model (see below in the next message). If you did not find your car there, then:
For an accurate answer on the forum, the following data is required:
2. Engine model;
4. Year of release of the vehicle;
5. Environmental class;
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Or send the first page of the TCP to E-mail: with your question.
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To obtain a Conclusion on engine power, you need to provide the following information: Application addressed to the director, Title, photo of the car ( general form, engine compartment, all manufacturer's plates and stickers ...).
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Honda Accord SIR-T "Barsik" › Logbook › Personal experience of lowering hp in PTS
The topic is probably of interest to almost every owner of such a machine ...
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We all do not want to pay transport tax like a car that normally empty the wallet even without horse tax.
For me, the question arose sharply together with the replacement of the motor.
Let me tell you more about the background.
Those who care about the topic should master all the "letters"
These days are long gone, since the idea was born when the engine was replaced and was realized in September 2012.
In that wicked period when the old motor ended, I decided that it would be nice to lower the horses under the guise and agree with the guys with whom I work, write me a few horses on the new motor)))) ...
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And so it happened, only they took care of it even before my request.
We all know that the F20b comes in 148/180/200 ponies, depending on trim.
And everything turned out to be much simpler: in the customs declaration, when clearing the customs clearance. so I point out as little as possible ... in the end it turns out that F20 F20 is any customs under 148 horses ... I don’t know how they agree there, but it is))))) it pleases.
The motor came, was delivered and began to be operated there on December 148))))) in fact we all know how much))))) I was in no hurry with the re-registration, I decided to find out everything and lower my tax)))))
I called the traffic police, found out what and how, they told me to come and write an application to replace the unit (it was August 2011)
He arrived, started asking, pretended to be a moron ... They say so and so changed the engine to one that is weaker, blah blah blah, HOW DO I make changes? The policeman said: “Write a statement to the boss with a request to replace the unit in connection with the replacement, here is a list of research institutes where they do the conformity examination, an answer will come, you will pay money for the examination, and if they confirm the fact that the motor and the machine are in conformity, then with these pieces of paper and a signed application to replace the dui for the re-registration of the motor "
To be honest, I went out and scored x ... d on all these statements and decided that until I press it I will crap like that ...
But time passed, life made adjustments, the law changed and now the internal combustion engine has become a spare part and it didn’t have to be checked, I relaxed and drove as before without worrying ...
Hour X came and I needed to remove the car from the register to move to Krasnodar for permanent residence. I arrived at the traffic police, having paid state duties for all the desired events ...
When submitting documents for re-registration, the following dialogue took place with the traffic police officer:
- "Yes", "Now the motor has changed, the model is the same, but I don't mind if there is less hp."
- "Sooo, well, it will be written less in there. Dec. - 148", "Or do you have 200?"
That's how they changed))))) came out satisfied and really breathed a sigh of relief, as this solved several questions for me at once:
1. The issue was resolved from the yuo point of view.
2. I no longer had a headache with the design of the internal combustion engine.
3. Tax in KhMAO for 200 hp = 6000 rubles
Tax in Krasnodar for 200 hp = rub (If I had registered a car for my mother, she is a pensioner, I was going to pay 50%)
4. Now there is no need to make any purchases and sales for the mother, which also made me happy ...
Now 148 hp, and even when registering, they wrote me the color as multi-color.))))) Now it’s generally outlawed))))) a good bonus car)))))
Conclusion: You should never rush into legal matters in our country, and sometimes a well-established x ... d plays into the hands of some circumstances in the future resolution of this issue ...
Here is the story in best traditions Hollywood with a happy ending!
Honda Accord 1998, petrol engine 2.0 l., 200 l. p., Front drive, Manual - taxes and duties
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Handsome! I also want to change my TN, on the 8th chord! From 201 to less.
Can this be done on my car?
Most likely not already.
At least it depends on the region.
In Krasnodar, look at the catalog
At Restyle 200, it seems they began to write, MB can be somehow.
No way. Reconcile and pay taxes
firmly laid dick plays into the hands))))
Do not quite understand))))
You summed up the review))) I pulled out a couple of words and it turned out funny))
Changing the engine power in the PTS is made only in the event of an actual engine replacement or when an error is found in the documents.
It turns out that it is possible to conduct an examination and make a certificate that a mistake was made and the wrong capacity was entered at the customs. And with this certificate, stomp at the traffic police.
do not know where we have such examinations in Ufa?
Now everything has been turned upside down. Look here
Thanks, I'll take a look during the break
Good evening, tell me, the question is also about horses ... I myself am from Barnaul where I haven’t lived for a long time, I live in Alma-Ata where I have a rare car for Altai - a Toyota Avalon with 215 horses, I want to return to Barnaul and now I’m thinking of selling my ship or coming and put it on record in Barnaul, where the tax on it is 12 thousand rubles! Does anyone know if I'll get it registered? and how expensive is it? And how can you lower the horses? the motor on my car is always 3 liters 215 hp, although there is such a 1mz and 165 hp.
There is a change that now (on the example of Krasnodar) deps are also not fools and look at the catalog and body number ...
For example, the other day I watched a 3 liter Kharkov (just almost your case), and so there in the TCP 160, and for registration in the vehicle they wrote 220, as it should be. To the question why? the answer in the database is beating like that ...
All in all, you can't guess
Such a question, how did the gaer know that the dviglo was changed? If no papers were handed over from your side?
Well, I purposefully made changes to the data on the internal combustion engine. At that time, this was also required when removing / registering a car.
I provided the old data in the TCP, the customs declaration and the KP agreement
If I had registered the car for my mother, she is a pensioner, I was going to pay 50%
will not work - according to the law, this only works on units up to 100 horses (or up to 150)
Decrease in horsepower in TCP in 2018
In order to officially and legally remake the TCP for your car in the column where the engine power in horsepower is indicated, for reduced performance, good reasons are required.
- conclusion from a technical expert;
- or legally obtained OTTS on a car - Approval of the type of vehicle.
These papers are key in order for the traffic police officer to agree to indicate smaller capacities in the data sheet.
There is another way to reduce engine power - they rearrange a stronger motor to a less powerful instance. Then they receive a certificate and other documents about the structural changes made.
At the same time, it is desirable that there is also certification documentation for the unit itself. All this is brought to the traffic police for re-registration technical passport. What is the order, in what ways and why horsepower is reduced, we will analyze in more detail.
How and where are they registered
From the system of international classification of technical indicators automotive vehicles movement, such a unit of measurement as "horsepower" has been removed since 2010.
It is considered now as an auxiliary quantity. However, in the technical documentation of the car, in car catalogs still keep pointing it out.
Information about horsepower is prescribed in the PTS (Vehicle Passport) in two places:
- In line number 10 of the title page of the "book".
- In the paragraph "Special marks", which are located on the margins of each of the pages.
Item 10 is called “Engine Power” and is shown in two variations of units of measurement:
Translation of digital values \u200b\u200bfrom "hp" in "kW" is carried out in several ways:
- manual calculation using a special formula;
- taking into account special tables;
- using the calculator in online mode, where all the necessary algorithms formulas.
Such calculations are carried out and entered into the form:
- Straightaway domestic manufacturer Automotive industry, which is the first to fill the PTS.
- Customs services when issuing a Russian sample form, if the car is imported into Russia from another state.
- In the services of the State traffic inspectorate with a complete replacement of the document.
- Production workshops, machine conversion centers if the engine has been changed. In this case, it is also possible to get a completely new registration certificate with data on the power of the car entered into it.
In the photo below, the number 1 indicates the location of point 10. This is the primary entry, which is subject to change if the driver provides the registration authority with the application with the essential grounds for this.
After the changes are taken into account by the registration services (traffic police, traffic police, MREO), which directly make all changes in the documentation of the machine, a mark on the new power indicators is put down in the "Special Marks".
But this can be done in two places of the registration certificate:
- On the free margins of the title page, where the inscription "Special Marks" is indicated.
- In exactly the same way, but only in the margins next to the record of information about the real car owner. And this can be a spread of the passport blank.
The photo below shows an example under the number 2. This is a record of changes already made to the TCP after going through a certain registration procedure.
Information can be written by hand by a traffic police officer, or printed through a printer and computer. But no matter how they are entered in the registration certificate, certification by the signature of the responsible official and the seal of the institution is mandatory.
Is it possible to reduce
Reduce engine power data motor vehicle permitted only by law.
For these purposes, there are special organizations who analyze documents and review technical condition cars.
More precisely, not so much the technical condition of the car, but the presence of serial numbers on their parts, as well as the compliance of the motor model with the power indicated in the quality certificate and its technical passport.
In total, there are several ways to legally reduce values:
- If there is evidence that a digital entry was erroneously entered into the TCP about capacities greater than the car actually has. Evidence can be a certificate taken from dealers or an extract from a car catalog.
- When the driver, on his own initiative, wanted to reduce the power of the car by legally rearranging the power unit of different capacities - from a stronger one to a weaker one. The basis is the conclusion of technical experts.
- Change of indicators due to obtaining more accurate data on capacities (OTTS).
Then this information is checked with those printed directly in PTS machines. If they do not match, only then, it is possible to obtain a conclusion of technical expertise from the inspectors.
This document is welcome for all motorists who want to reduce the horsepower of their car. It is simply impossible to issue such a document without checking the car.
Otherwise, this will be regarded as a gross violation of the law committed by an official (the checking expert himself), who abused his official position.
But besides this document, you can still get another paper, no less important - "Vehicle Type Approval", in short - OTTS.
This document is a certificate that can finally confirm all the technical characteristics of the vehicle specified in the Title.
Also, such a paper confirms the compliance of the design data of the vehicle with the standards established in the EAEU countries. This is necessary for cars previously imported into Russia from Europe.
OTTS is issued by certification organizations subordinate to Rosstandart ( Federal agency technical regulation and metrology) having an appropriate level of certification for this.
Now you need to understand significant difference between different power indicators of the main motor unit systems.
Certification body for automotive and motorcycle technology according to the State Standard of the Russian Federation, since 2001, introduced a provision for OTTS - to indicate in all registration and operational and technical documentation the rated power in "net" (UNECE Regulation No. 85).
The motor power of the vehicle in terms of "net" is less than the power in terms of "gross". Obtaining a certificate from the manufacturer of the propulsion unit in the "net", you can get proof that the PTS should correct the horsepower indicators in a reduced direction.
The decrease occurs exactly by the amount of losses occurring in the systems:
Losses arise due to the difference in the designs of certain modifications of car engines, when they begin to determine their power in the categories of "gross" and "net".
In other words, you can't level all motors at once in terms of their power ratings, because one model can differ from another if you start using "cleaned" and "not cleaned" power indicators.
For example, OAO Zavolzhsky engine plant”indicates in the data sheets for its products only the gross power. It is determined according to a special standard - GOST No. 14846.
This is done for the reasons that the power of their products from model to model is shown differently in the "net" because it depends on differences in configurations.
What are the benefits for vehicle owners?
When the purchase and sale of a motor vehicle was carried out, then each former owner, as a seller, it is necessary to pay transport tax, which depends on many indicators, incl. and vehicle power.
A decrease in horsepower gives the right to pay less tax, because the calculations will be completely different if the power indicator “falls” by several tens of units.
Practice shows that for the use of a car whose power exceeds 120 hp, the owner has to pay quite large amounts of transport tax annually.
If the motorist managed to reduce this figure to the level of 90 hp, then for some regions the use of vehicles with low capacities is entitled to a tax exemption.
Often such a benefit looks like a complete exemption from an obligation of a temporary nature. The tax authorities can only grant a permanent discount to persons with disabilities and other persons specified in local law.
The rest of the citizens, although they drive light-duty cars, simply have to write an application for benefits every year in October-November, which is submitted to the local authorities of the Federal Tax Service.
Such application must be accompanied by a copy of the TCP, which indicates low level vehicle power.
At the same time, an important factor is the country of manufacture of vehicles - it is necessary that the car be of domestic assembly.
Ways to distinguish the original PTS from the duplicate are presented in the article: how to distinguish the original PTS from the duplicate.
What documents are needed for restoration of TCP in case of loss, read here.
How to reduce horsepower in TCP officially
Before proceeding with the re-registration of the technical documentation for the car, for which it is necessary to reduce the horsepower, it is necessary to carry out some preliminary measures.
The preparation is as follows:
- The clarification of whether the information on the vehicle’s capacities entered into the TCP is really incorrect does not coincide with the real capabilities of the equipment.
- Checking the car by the number of her passport on the traffic police website - is everything in order, are there any debts, is she under arrest, etc.
- Comparison of license plates on the aggregate-motor system with those indicated in the data sheet.
- If you had to change the motor, then you must definitely take from the organization that carried out the modification all the necessary documents confirming the legality of replacing the unit - a certificate, specification (calculation of parts and work), an act of acceptance and delivery of work.
Tips from lawyers on how to reduce the amount of horsepower in the TCP in a legal way:
- After a satisfactory check, it is necessary to undergo an inspection by a special expert. To do this, you need to contact any Automotive Expertise Center located in the city.
- In the Center, the expert checks all aggregate signs on the engine itself with the values in the documents, and also determines whether the motor costs such power, as it is written in the PTS.
- If the data does not match, he writes out a certificate or conclusion stating that the capacities are incorrectly spelled out in the data sheet.
If you are holding an expert's opinion that the structural capacities do not match those indicated in the document, then you should refer to it.
For quick and hassle-free registration, you need to provide a set of documents of the following content:
- a statement requesting the necessary changes;
- electronic queue coupon, if any;
- a copy of the civil passport of the owner;
- STS (COP - certificate of registration of the vehicle);
- OSAGO insurance policy;
- technical inspection diagnostic card (valid on time);
- sale and purchase agreement (upon request);
- any document that serves as the basis for amending the document as a decrease in the power of the car - the conclusion of the Center of Expertise, a certificate from the dealership, OTTS and more;
- paid receipt of state duty.
Liability for Fraud
Self-corrections in the technical passport of the machine are an offense that, according to the legislation of the Criminal Code of Russia, Art. 327, listed as - forgery of documents.
The primary violation can be forgiven, but only if all arrears on mandatory tax payments by the culprit are paid in full.
This is stated in paragraph 2 of Art. 199 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. In other cases, the law is adamant - for forgery, use of a fake document, or abuse official position in the form of falsification of data in the document, severe punishment threatens.
The measure of responsibility for illegal changes, bypassing the procedure through the traffic police service, are the following penalties, reflected in the table:
Or - in the amount of salary for 6 months.
Fraudster can be convicted different ways- from the choice of one kind of punishment, to the imputation of several types of responsibility at once,
So, for example, for hand-written falsification of data on horsepower noted in the registration certificate, 2 penalties can be immediately determined - a fine of up to rubles and arrest for six months.
And if the court also receives evidence that this was done with the aim of reducing the amount of the transport tax, or completely freeing itself from such an obligation, then it will award 2 years in prison for payment evasion.
If everything is done legally, it will take a lot of time. Sometimes the whole procedure, including clarification procedures, inquiries to dealerships, letters to manufacturing plants, and so on, lasts several months.
But registration in the traffic police takes several days, given the verification by expert technicians.
Those drivers who spared no time and effort for such alterations in the TCP were rewarded by the fact that now they pay much less taxes than before.
Is it possible to restore a TCP without a host is explained in the article: how to restore a TCP without a host.
How to register a car if the engine number does not match the TCP, see the page.
Find out about making changes to the TCP when changing the address from this information.
3 Legal Ways to Reduce Horsepower in a PTS
Greetings to all readers of my autoblog!
Today I will tell you how to reduce the horsepower in the TCP and officially lower the vehicle tax rate.
After all, it is no secret that often such cash deductions are a heavy burden on the car owner. This is especially true at the present time of crisis, when many motorists have an acute question about selling their car because of the excessively high tax on it.
An alternative way out of this situation is the ability to change the amount of horsepower of the unit, which is taken as the basis for calculating the tax.
However, such a task will require you to have basic knowledge in this matter, otherwise, due to frivolity or ignorance, you can enter into a serious conflict with tax and other legislation, which can result in large fines or even a prison sentence for actions classified as fraud against the state.
I think there is no need to explain that the penalties for crimes against the state are significantly stricter than for similar offenses against other subjects.
Horsepower and vehicle tax
Immediately I will briefly provide you with the most necessary general data directly related to our question, since not everyone may know them.
For example, what is meant by horsepower, in this case. This is not at all what you may have heard about in physics class. And there is little in common with the horse and its draft efforts. This measure has long been withdrawn from common use (SI) and is used only in some industries. In Russia, among other things, this includes car tax legislation.
There it is called “tax horsepower”. Its value relative to the car in different countries is calculated differently. Usually this is the squared value of the diameter of the cylinders, which is multiplied by their number and divided by a certain factor.
Important! Keep in mind that tax horsepower (a measure of the tax law) and horsepower (an obsolete measure of physical effort) are not at all the same thing and far from being equal to each other. The first is about 2.5 times less than a second, do not make a mistake with the calculations on this basis, if you carry them out.
In Russia, the vehicle tax is based on the amount of taxable engine horsepower internal combustion(ICE). This is not the only parameter taken into account, but the main one.
On this occasion, among the owners of vehicles (TC) subject to state registration (and, accordingly, taxation) there has long been a fairly fair indignation.
The fact is that the need for an annual transport tax by the state is officially explained by the need of road departments for financing (construction, repair, maintenance of roads, etc.).
However, people cannot understand how in such a physical way the power cars can affect the load and "erasing" of these very roads. Especially if the car is not used or rarely used: after all, the owners of the same model, for example, a pensioner and a taxi driver-bombshell, pay the same tax, but they use the roads with very different intensity and load on them.
Government men have nothing to answer to this day.
True, this cart does not stand still. For more than five years, there has been talk in the Duma about the need for the complete abolition of the transport tax and the introduction of expenses for the road department into the cost of fuel. The idea is quite sensible, and in 2015 the conversations finally turned into debates, since the corresponding bill was filed. But it was returned for revision, the completion date of which no one knows anything, including the authors themselves.
On the other hand, rumors began to circulate that the cost of roads in the price of gasoline was still introduced and is “running in” the levels of finance receipts. I don’t know how true this is, but it looks very plausible, because a simple abrupt cancellation could have suffered a complete financial fiasco.
Motorists, in general, are not against preliminary monitoring of the action new system, but they are afraid that the state husbands would then feel sorry for parting with a double income.
As for the transport tax itself, in the Russian Federation it does not have clear meanings and is regional. That is, each region sets its own tariffs on this account. The only thing is that these values \u200b\u200bcannot exceed or be lower than the base ones (recommended by the state) by 10 times.
Therefore, the need to lower horsepower (HP) is also highly dependent on the region of registration of the owner.
Attention! For the transport tax, there is no difference where the car itself was registered. Tariff rate will correspond to the region in which the owner is registered, and not his vehicle (V).
So, is it legal to change the engine power of a car in a “better” direction in order to reduce the tax? Can.
But I immediately warn you that, unfortunately, there are no easy ways here, and some advise you to pay and not "bother with this hemorrhoids." It is true, but what if the tax is under 100 thousand per year and more, and the car from the rich grandfather was left as an inheritance? How do you keep it if you don't want to sell it?
Among motorists, the most well-known are three legal ways to reduce drugs, which include:
- Correction of data error in PTS;
- Replacement of the motor unit;
- Aggregate deforcing.
I note that there are some other tricks, but they are either illegal or do not concern the power of the motor, but are direct loopholes for tax evasion. We will talk about them somehow in a separate article on the annual transport taxation.
Changing engine data in PTS
This method is the least expensive of all, since it does not imply the need to redo anything in the internal combustion engine. However, this does not mean at all that this option easy. Yes, the least money is needed here, but long (and sometimes unsuccessful) “butts” with bureaucratic obstacles are quite possible.
Are you ready for such feats? If yes, then let's get started.
The first thing that needs to be clarified is to which specific cases the method under consideration is applicable.
- Errors in engine power in the PTS, the organizations that issued them;
- Change in engine power during operation.
Errors in engine power in PTS, organizations that issued them
Errors in the TCP by organizations issuing them, in which the engine power is unreasonably overestimated, is not uncommon. Customs most often sin with this for a reason that has not yet been clarified among motorists, since the catalogs necessary for verification by customs must be used without fail, and the data there is very unambiguous.
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In fairness, it should be said that sometimes customs officers are mistaken in the opposite direction, underestimating the power, but this happens, again “accidentally”, much less often than the opposite. In a similar way, saleswomen in grocery retail are “mistaken”: 95% of cases in their favor and 5% in your favor.
It is worth noting that the reduction in the power of the internal combustion engine according to the papers to the optimum from the unreasonably high in fairness is not even a decrease, but only a correction of the error. But in fact, this is still a decline and it will have to be fought for.
This reduction-fix can be the most troublesome of all options. Here I'll tell you what: in this regard, you need to be vigilant even when buying a car, namely, before it is re-registered with the traffic police.
Attention! This refers to the first re-registration to the owner after the car dealer, and not subsequent re-registrations when reselling from hand to hand.
Otherwise, you will definitely face professional and targeted opposition from almost all authorities.
This is explained by the fact that when correcting an error in the TCP for drugs, the employees who made it, according to the internal regulations, are necessarily held accountable. And not just like that, but with reasonable suspicion of bribery. And with re-registration, it will be quite a lot of guilty people. That is why you will be put all sorts of spokes in the wheels by all the employees from the shop floor solidarity.
The same thing happens if you suddenly decide to officially punish a mistaken doctor - none of the medical staff will meet you halfway, in accordance with the unwritten shop code, commonly called "professional mutual responsibility."
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I gave you this information so that if you decide to seek justice with an already re-registered car, you will not be surprised at failures. Here the surest strategy is to go to court. But the least time-consuming and nerve-wracking decision is to sell the vehicle to replace it with another less troublesome one, which, by the way, is advised by the traffic police “kindly” in such cases.
What exactly needs to be done here?
If, when selling a car to your property, you “missed” inconsistencies in the values of drugs in the TCP and catalogs, then you need to contact any official branch of the corresponding car brand with a written request for the parameters of interest specifically for your model unit.
For this you need to provide:
- Vehicle Passport (PTS);
- Certificate of registration (STS) (if any);
- Purchase and sale agreement (PKP);
- The car itself.
After examining the documents, reconciling the markings of the body and the unit, if no constructive changes not identified, the branch will issue you an official conclusion with all the factory parameters of your car.
If the car has not been re-registered, then this may be quite enough: with this conclusion and the entire package of automobile documents, you contact the traffic police, where they will consider the possibility of correcting the power of the internal combustion engine.
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If the car has already been re-registered, then in 99% of cases you will be sent (read “kicked off”) to a specific address (for example, to one of the NAMI branches for an official examination of the unit according to the corresponding application. Unfortunately, today the deadline for passing this check It is not established by law, and it can last conditionally “forever” if experts so wish (and they may well be called with a request to this effect).It all depends on the case and the human factor.
If you see that they are not in a hurry with the examination, to put it mildly, then find another institution that is authorized to conduct such studies and issue appropriate conclusions. Their addresses can be indicated in the official representation of the brand.
For such services, money will be taken more, of course. But you will quickly get your hands on desired document indicating the real power of the internal combustion engine of your vehicle at the time of the examination - it will, of course, be less in comparison with a new car, not to mention erroneously high values.
Then you can again storm the traffic police, having already two serious documents in your hands:
- The conclusion of the official representation of the brand;
- Conclusion of an independent technical expertise of internal combustion engines.
You may be denied again, but this time you have every right to demand a written justification for the refusal. If one is issued and you categorically disagree with it, then you can go to court, which, most likely, if the error in the TCP is absolutely obvious, will rule in your favor because it simply will not have any other way out.
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By decision of the court, MREO will change the value of horsepower in all documentation forcibly.
But this, again, is not enough. You must follow the process of transferring the changed data to the tax office. It is best to check this personally by bringing the entire package of documentation that appeared in the case to be shown to the tax authorities. And only after the approval of the changes in the tax you will change the tax rate.
This is such a difficult path in many respects. But, if it's worth it, it is quite possible to pass it with a positive result.
Change in engine power during operation
If the horsepower of the unit in the TCP is correct, but your car is no longer new, then the actual ICE power values \u200b\u200bwill be lower and sometimes quite significant, which can provide significant tax savings.
Everything is already somewhat simpler here, because in the traffic police in this case there should be no one to shield and there should not be any special obstacles. If your TCP is not a duplicate, then you can not contact the official representative of the brand for clarification of technical characteristics.
As in the previous case, you need to carry out a technical examination of the unit on an application to this effect to the accredited organization of your choice and provide it with the same list of automotive documentation.
When diagnosing, experts will determine and document not only the power level of the internal combustion engine, but also the degree of wear, as well as the predicted period of further operation.
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After removing the diagnostic data and all the necessary calculations, the technical laboratory will issue you a conclusion, which will indicate:
- Stages of motor diagnostics;
- ICE diagnostic scheme;
- Diagnosis data calculation scheme;
- Special remarks of the expert;
- The final conclusion indicating specific numerical characteristics.
After receiving this conclusion, you also apply with it to the traffic police, and after the approval and implementation of changes in the TCP, you control their acceptance by the tax service.
In this case, the case rarely comes to court.
Replacement of the propulsion unit
This is a fairly obvious method for many motorists. According to it, you carry out an official replacement (the so-called swap) of the internal combustion engine with a less powerful one. Of course, for this you need to spend money on an additional motor, which must be legally clean and have all the documentation necessary for its registration.
Just for many brands, on which taxes are especially high, such engines are very expensive, unfortunately. But that doesn't stop everyone.
The scheme of actions here is simple:
- Buying an engine
- Doing a reinstallation of the internal combustion engine;
- Carry out the examination already described;
- Register the reinstallation and approve the examination in the traffic police;
- Control the change in your tariff in the tax office.
However, with the new engine itself, not everything is so simple.
On top of that, it must actually match:
- Manufacturer's certificate - when buying contract used units, it is better to take a person who understands them to help;
- Legislation of the Russian Federation regarding environmental requirements;
- The engine must be a less powerful version of the same model line or officially authorized by the manufacturer to be replaced with another model.
The handicraft work of non-certified workshops is still absolutely not allowed, because after the replacement you will need an official opinion on it from the senior brigade of auto mechanics.
But the change of the internal combustion engine to a less powerful one does not suit everyone. Therefore, after successfully changing their tax rate, some motorists “throw to quiet” engines in the reverse order. This is quite safe, because the engine number, with its model correspondence, is not checked by the traffic police on the roads, and even more so, it is not checked against the tax. The removed new internal combustion engine remains in reserve, in case registration actions in the MREO - then, if they require you to present a car, you will have to install it again “according to Shurik”.
Aggregate deforcing
If the design features of your internal combustion engine provide for this, then to reduce the number of drugs, the unit can be deformed. Deforcing consists in a technical modification of the engine according to the scheme provided by the manufacturer.
In general, in itself, such a procedure is highly indicated. powerful cars because it can significantly increase wear resistance and other important parameters. Well, unless you're into racing, of course.
Naturally, as in the previous case, such an operation should be carried out by certified workshops that make changes in strict accordance with the law of the Russian Federation and are capable of issuing legally binding conclusions.
The same requirements for compliance with internal combustion engines model range and manufacturer-approved replacements. And such an operation can legally be carried out only if the car is registered with the traffic police.
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The deforcing itself is carried out according to a slightly different scheme than in the previous versions:
- Immediately you need to make a written request to the traffic police regarding the permission of deforcing and provide the entire package of automotive documentation, including a civil passport and a receipt for paying the fee, and of course the car itself;
- All documents, technical data and cars will be carefully checked (according to Order No. 1240 of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation) for legal and constructive compliance, and on the basis of a positive opinion (which they may not give), you will be issued a permit for the structural conversion of the internal combustion engine, which deforcing refers to.
- With this permission, the car owner must apply to any institution for technical expertise, where they will give an opinion on the fundamental possibility of the planned changes;
- And already with these two papers they turn to a certified workshop, where specialists carry out deforcing and issue their opinion on the work carried out;
- This documentation package and the vehicle is provided to any accredited inspection operator for inspection and an updated diagnostic card;
- And only after that you again need to contact the traffic police to check all the actions taken and approve changes in engine power;
- The last item, as usual, controls the change in your tax rate.
As you can see, there are quite a few subtle places, in any of them the authorities can show certain arbitrariness and their own interpretation of legislative norms. To the common man“Butting” with the traffic police is usually more expensive for yourself, but some people there are justifiably afraid and solve their issues without trying to be self-willed.
Who are they, you ask? And these are those who are well aware of the target automotive legislation. Do not be afraid, today, quickly and at a completely acceptable level, you can learn the necessary basic knowledge with the help of the course "Against the lawlessness of the traffic police", which contains valuable advice on the strategy of dealing with bureaucratic obstacles, lines of conduct in dealing with traffic police and traffic police, methods of avoiding and mitigating punishment, countering extortion of bribe takers, and much more.
In general, increasing the level of knowledge of laws among motorists has a positive effect not only on those who have studied, but on the entire domestic automotive community, since the more frequent contact of employees with knowledgeable people keeps their inclinations to self-will within the proper framework.
- Keep in mind that the transport tax, without canceling the registration, is not paid only if the car is listed as stolen and for some privileged categories (agricultural equipment, disabled people, veterans, police, military, etc.).
- Please note that tax legislation in this area is under active development and will certainly change. For example, since the beginning of 2015, a number of changes have been adopted that are yet to come into effect. Among them is the requirement to control taxation. According to the new rules, ignorance of innovations, misleading about the place of one's stay, etc. actions that resulted in non-payment of tax will be punished solely on the basis of the fault of the car owner. That is, if for some reason, and even through your own fault, the tax office did not find you, you will be obliged to announce to it yourself where to send notifications. This and other regulations come into force in October 2016.
- To quickly find out the official internal combustion engine power at the time of release, you need to sum up all the simple digits of the unit number and divide the resulting number by a factor of 8.5. And to calculate the power of the internal combustion engine in kilowatts, you need to divide the value in horsepower by a factor of 0.735 or multiply by 1.35962.
Conclusion
I hope this article has helped you dispel some of the myths and answer the main questions about reducing the hp of the unit. You now know as many as three legitimate methods for doing this and have an idea of the level of difficulty of each of them. And if you are going to act, then the difficulties will no longer take you by surprise.
And how did you reduce the number of drugs in PTS and what difficulties did you encounter? Tell me about it in the comments.
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It is quite possible to reduce engine power in PTS in a legal way. The achieved changes in power are necessarily entered into the PTS in accordance with the norms of Russian legislation.
Techniques for reducing engine power
Motorists have long been developing schemes to underestimate the horsepower. The most common methods of carrying out this procedure can be divided into several types.
1. Correction of the error of the registration authority
The most problematic thing when choosing this method of reducing the power of the car is to prove the presence of an error when entering information about the engine power in the PTS.
In order to obtain confirmation of this fact, the driver must have a document describing the actual power level of the engine of his vehicle.
Brand representation
The most obvious way to look for certificates of engine power is to contact the official representative office of the brand of the car. The motorist provides the manufacturer's representative with documents confirming his rights to transport. After that, he can request a certificate specifying the data of interest to him.
The issued certificate will contain information relating to a particular vehicle. The certificate must have an identification number, that is, the VIN of the vehicle.
It is highly likely that the data on the engine power indicator will differ from the indicators indicated in the car passport. However this method is not universal, since there is a possibility of issuing certificates, the data in which will not meet the applicant's expectations.
If a motorist has received a certificate from the official representation of his car brand that the actual power of the car is less than that recorded in the passport, he can apply with these data to the authorized body in order to make changes to the TCP. If officials refuse to make changes, the motorist may initiate a technical examination.
Engine Power Examination
Examination is carried out by organizations that have received state accreditation. Before starting diagnostics, employees of a licensed testing laboratory ask the customer to prepare an application for an examination and attach to it the technical documentation for the vehicle, which describes its main parameters.
The true power of the engine does not always exactly correspond to the indicator indicated in the documentation. Over time, the motor may lose some of its power, so it is important to diagnose it in a timely manner. How older car, the more likely it is that its power has decreased significantly compared to the original value.
Evaluation process
To make a preliminary assessment of the engine power level, experts perform the following manipulations:
- Inspection external state engine when the engine is checked for defects and damage.
- Reconciliation of the engine number with the numbers indicated in the documents for the car.
- Warming up the engine, which will determine the presence of internal defects in the device.
An important indicator for the expert is the performance of the engine. The compliance of the motor with safety criteria during operation is also established.
During the examination of power, the specialist uses measuring instruments, as well as standard calculations of the technical parameters of engines. In addition to the main task, which is to identify the power level, the expert needs to determine the service life of the device and its level of wear.
Expert opinion
Based on the results of consideration of the data obtained as a result of the study, the expert draws up a conclusion. The completed power assessment document contains data relating to:
- motor expertise stages;
- procedure for inspecting the device;
- engine power determination algorithm;
- additional observations and conclusions of the performer.
Based on the described expert opinion, the authorized body may make changes to the vehicle engine power indicator in the PTS.
2. Installation of a new engine
The driver can purchase less powerful motor than the one installed in his car and register it.
When buying an engine, you should pay attention to the information indicated in the manufacturer's certificate, which is issued for each device.
It is important that the technical properties of the purchased device comply with the requirements of the legislation of the Russian Federation, ensuring environmental safety motor when in use. Motor replacement should be carried out by professional craftsmen in a car dealership.
Before making changes to the TCP, the state authorities ask the applicant to conduct an examination of the engine power. According to the results of the expert's conclusion, a decrease in the power of the car's engine is recorded in the passport.
3. Deforcing the engine
Deforcing is a procedure for reducing engine power using technical manipulations with the device.
This procedure is legal provided that each of its stages is carried out in accordance with legal requirements. The advantage of deforcing is a significant improvement in the parameters of the motor, which contribute to an increase in its service life.
Don't know your rights?
Such an option to reduce engine power, like deforcing, is not available to every motorist. The fact is that it can only be carried out in relation to machines that have already been registered with the registration authority.
It is also important that the motor undergoing conversion has a counterpart among engines with less horsepower. A mandatory requirement is the environmental friendliness of analogues of a deformable motor.
Deforcing procedure
The process of reducing the power of a vehicle engine includes several successive stages, including:
1. Request for permission to make changes to the design of the car, which is confirmed by the issuance of an opinion by the authorized authority.
When submitting an application, officials check the provided data for compliance with the norms of the Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation of December 7, 2000 N 1240. This act is intended to regulate safety requirements for the design and technical condition of machines, as well as other items of their additional equipment.
The order fixes the permissible technical characteristics of the transport.
Along with the request for permission, the driver must provide the following package of documents:
- Passport copy.
- Vehicle registration certificate.
- Document of ownership of the car.
- Insurance policy.
- A certificate confirming that the vehicle meets safety requirements.
- A general power of attorney if the documents are submitted by a representative of the owner of the car. The power of attorney is provided in the form of an original copy and a notarized copy.
A document confirming the payment of the state fee.
2. Before obtaining a permit, the car is inspected, and the data on its owner is verified. Officials draw up an act of inspection of the vehicle. They check if the car is wanted. Based on the results of the check, the applicant receives permission to convert the car.
3. When permission is received, the motorist goes to experts who make a conclusion about the possibility of deforcing and the stages of its production.
4. Having received a conclusion, the driver can transfer the vehicle to the contractor for the production of engine re-equipment. Usually deforcing includes the removal of the intercooler and turbines, the replacement of intake, exhaust and cylinder heads.
5. When the work is completed, it is necessary to fill out an application-declaration containing a description of the volume and quality of work that was carried out in order to make changes to the original design of the machine.
6. This application must be submitted to the state body that monitors the technical condition of vehicles. After checking the documents, officials issue a vehicle diagnostic card to the driver. IN this document information is recorded on the volume and quality of work performed when changing the design of the machine. The diagnostic card of the vehicle is the basis for making changes to the engine power in the vehicle passport.
Making changes to the PTS
The regulation on the TCP, approved by the Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia N 496, the Ministry of Industry and Energy of Russia N 192, the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia N 134 dated 06/23/2005, describes the algorithm for making changes to the vehicle passport, which is issued for cars with an engine capacity of 50 cubic meters. see and more.
The regulation indicates that any change or addition made to the TCP must be signed by the head of the body that entered the information in the passport and sealed with a seal.
Difficulties in making changes to the passport
Practice does not exclude situations in which persons authorized to process changes in the TCP will refuse applicants to register changes in the TCP.
Among the most common difficulties that drivers will face is the refusal to register changes due to discrepancies in information regarding the owner of the vehicle or the technical characteristics of the car.
Also, some drivers apply for changes in the motor power in the PTS without a vehicle diagnostic card, which gives officials legal grounds to reject the application. Similar problems are faced by drivers who have cars whose designs do not comply with legal requirements security traffic.
Thus, it can be noted that making changes to a previously issued vehicle passport is a feasible task. The procedure for reducing engine power can be secured by a motorist after going through a series of legal operations.
The vehicle passport is a legal document that characterizes the technical data of the vehicle with its subsequent identification. The passport is issued by the traffic police, car sellers or customs control authorities to control the admission and participation of vehicles in road traffic, regulation based on the results of paying customs duties, purchasing and operating a car, and countering illegal actions against cars. Registration of a title is a mandatory item when registering a vehicle and its admission as a road user. It contains information about the owner (owner) of the car and the immediate characteristics of the vehicle, including an indication of the number of horsepower. Why might you need to reduce the amount of horsepower in the PTS? What legal ways to reduce horsepower in the TCP exist? To what measures to reduce hp. PTS cannot be resorted to and what is the possible liability for illegal reduction of engine power in PTS? We will answer these questions in this article.
Legal power reduction in PTS
For 2017, there are a number of schemes invented by drivers that make it absolutely legal to reduce horsepower. The resulting changes in engine power are entered into the PTS mandatory, corresponding to the norm of the legislation of the Russian Federation. To the most common methods for reducing hp. include:
- Deforcing the motor;
- Installation of a new engine;
- Correction of the defect of the RO (registrative authority).
Deforcing is the process of reducing engine power, which is carried out using a number of technical manipulations. The procedure will be legal if it is carried out according to legal requirements. positive side operation will increase the life of the engine and the operation of its parameters. Suitable for car owners registered with RO. The main requirement: the environmental friendliness of similar motors. Mounting a new motor involves installing an analogue of less power. Pay attention to the manufacturer's certificate, which will be issued upon replacement. Also important are parameters such as environmental friendliness and safety of the motor in operation. The procedure is carried out by professionals, and after that the state authorities will conduct a power test and make changes to the PTS. But it will take a lot of effort to prove an erroneous power indicator. There are several basic ways to do this. Namely:
- Appeal to the official representative of the car brand;
- Carrying out an examination of the motor power of the vehicle;
- Implementation of HP assessment;
- Expert opinion.
When contacting a representative office of a car company, you should obtain a certificate of the actual power of a particular vehicle, which is less than indicated in the passport. Then you need to contact the authorized bodies for further changes in the TCP. In case of failure of the latter, it will be necessary to initiate a technical examination. An organization with state accreditation can conduct a technical examination of power. The owner of the vehicle must provide the company with a statement of the need for this procedure, to which will be attached technical papers with detailed options. Depending on age, the car may lose power, so you should periodically diagnose.
Responsibility for illegal actions
Some unscrupulous drivers resort to illegal methods of changing the amount of horsepower in the vehicle passport in order to reduce the amount of vehicle tax. Legal methods require cash costs, for example, when replacing the unit, you will have to buy new motor less power, and the expertise can be estimated at a fairly large amount, sometimes exceeding the cost of the car itself. In order to avoid these costs, car owners write a statement to the traffic police about the loss of the original TCP, and in a duplicate (not without the help of traffic police officers) lower engine power indicators are affixed.
Reducing engine power in this way falls under the category of tax evasion, since the economic effect in the form of reduced tax payments is achieved through illegal actions. Such actions constitute a tax crime and entail criminal liability under Articles 198 and 199 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. In accordance with the normative act, such a violation provides for penalties in the amount of 100 to 300 thousand rubles. for both individuals and legal entities, as well as arrest or deprivation of the opportunity to hold certain positions for up to 3 years.
22.12.2011, 17:30
someone reduced horsepower in pts
22.12.2011, 17:36
it makes sense to get involved in this venture with a VQ35 only engine;)
22.12.2011, 19:49
Can help.
Ruslan why only. Maybe for someone it will be interesting to slightly reduce. Pay off in the long run.
22.12.2011, 19:54
22.12.2011, 19:58
22.12.2011, 20:02
22.12.2011, 20:27
Ruslan why only
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price?
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Is it really possible to drop below 250ls from 280ls?
22.12.2011, 20:27
price?
Here is the answer :D
Pay off in the long run.
23.12.2011, 11:31
Does it make sense?
23.12.2011, 11:40
Diesel, a certificate from US does not cost 20 as far as I know. Everything else can be done by yourself.
23.12.2011, 12:05
Is it really possible to drop below 250ls from 280ls?
Really.
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because this is possible only with engines of the same model, but with a different number of horses, or rather with less than 250 hp.
VK45 was not installed on cars with power below 250 hp. that is, it was not deformed to such power.
We are talking about a legal / semi-legal way to reduce, and not about a familiar traffic cop.
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I can find out, but in my opinion and on the Internet there are such proposals, the main thing is to know the scheme by which such dealers work.
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Nissan Teana 3.5 l VQ35 - 245 hp;)
1. And I don’t say that it was staged. Everything was clearly outlined, the only price was not indicated.
2. US - Service - GAI. For everything, somewhere around 10 tr.
3. Teana does not channel, like only Murka.
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Tax on 245ls is about 20 rubles + to change horses is about 20, i.e. The first year does not pay off at all. On the second win 20 thousand.
Does it make sense?
Real costs are about 10 tr.
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For all.
Skymag is right 45 does not channel.
Only 35 is possible.
1. We go to our MREO and take an application for changes to the motor.
2. We go with the application either by fax or by e-mail to PTIAFOND http://www.ptiafond.ru/. The price tag is about 5 tr. We get a conclusion on making changes to the motor.
3. With the conclusion (item 2), we go to the service and make out the changes. Who can agree on how (I can help - 5 tr).
4. We go to the MREO where we received the application, we hand it over, the conclusion from the PTIAFUND, and documents from the service.
And that's it. Enjoy half the tax.
23.12.2011, 15:26
23.12.2011, 15:37
I have a question, since everything is so simple and cheap, how many people on the forum have done it?
Do you think I downloaded this from Wikipedia?
23.12.2011, 16:27
Do you think I downloaded this from Wikipedia? No, I don’t mean it, it’s just that if this is actually the case, you are a real savior, so you yourself did all this through this office ??? you can in a personal, if there are some nuances!
23.12.2011, 20:03
SERIOZHA good evening
Can you please e-mail details: [email protected]
Very interested in tax cuts!
23.12.2011, 20:55
Tax on 245ls is about 20 rubles + to change horses is about 20, i.e. The first year does not pay off at all. On the second win 20 thousand.
Does it make sense?
I would do it not for the sake of saving on tax, but for the sake of further sale - there will be more potential buyers!
23.12.2011, 21:07
I would do it not for the sake of saving on tax, but for the sake of further sale - there will be more potential buyers!
I would not buy such a car, nothing could be worse than a mess and misunderstandings in the documents. Cars are still expensive. I think that insurance companies do not look at what is written in the TCP, they stupidly drive the model of the car into the table, and all the data is already there and the computer itself calculates the cost of tax, insurance, etc. IMHO
23.12.2011, 22:04
I would do it not for the sake of saving on tax, but for the sake of further sale - there will be more potential buyers! this is + a million, but first of all they are worried about their money, because it is not clear for what and why such a tax?
24.12.2011, 10:46
24.12.2011, 11:24
Dimsa, I wouldn’t fall for such a joke, but in reality, when I ran into a sale, I realized that the tax was scaring me off. Who has not earned for such a car, but wants it.
24.12.2011, 14:14
I’m more interested in not reducing through all sorts of offices according to the law, but simply when registering, change only in the TCP. We have people in Rostov in the MREO who help to put out of line or the numbers are good. They fit themselves and offer services. I’m interested in this, if they write less in the TCP, then they won’t recalculate it in the tax office, or they start from the entry in the TCP.
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or it’s stupid not to register with the traffic police. it’s just that the car will be used rarely. I want to buy just for the soul, I really like it. There is another everyday one.
24.12.2011, 22:08
sergey fx35
24.12.2011, 23:29
When registering, I scored a "comrade traffic cop" in the database (it was also registered in the registration certificate) 238 hp, the tax has not yet come, I don’t know the result of this venture ..:upset:
should be fixed in the temple with a candle
25.12.2011, 00:07
Dimsa, I wouldn’t fall for such a joke, but in reality, when I ran into a sale, I realized that the tax was scaring me off. Who has not earned for such a car, but wants it.
Whoever is going to buy an FX knows how much tax they will have to pay and how much appetite the infica has (in the urban cycle), such cars do not pay for the last money. IMHO
Personally, my date is registered for a close relative who has a disability group, and people with disabilities, as you know, do not pay transport tax at all :)
More precisely, he earned, but he knows how to count his money: d
+100500:agree:
25.12.2011, 00:09
25.12.2011, 00:15
Dimsa, For God's sake, there are a lot of cars with low HP. and nothing ... but when selling, even a buzz for the buyer ... + Bonus to pay less tax, not 48 thousand (for 35), but 15 .. there is still a difference ....
And there can be no problems in the documents ...
I don’t have anything against it, I’m looking for benefits everywhere to pay less or not pay at all, I just expressed my opinion. Personally, I would not take such a car and that's it.
25.12.2011, 00:25
Dimsa, ah. understood your position.
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it’s probably better for someone to pay the state just like that .. I don’t joke about you
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25.12.2011, 00:32
25.12.2011, 00:35
25.12.2011, 00:41
Blue eyes sounds real..
damn, how can you buy a car for 550 behu and then return it: cry:: lol: because of the tax per year, such people kill ....
Sergey. I'll deviate a little from the topic of the branch, literally for a second. I have worked in the trade-in for 2 years and declare that the target audience for a / m beha 550 2006 onwards (namely, we were talking about this) and the new one from the salon is completely different. Just like a jeep for 500-600 tr. often bought by people who are not quite wealthy. For what? In order to seem or feel a little more than you are ... I will not develop
25.12.2011, 00:52
"Dear, we'll write a certificate for you at least 55 hp, the current tax authorities are not looking at all this crap now. They have special guides for the engines of all models and you will receive the tax that is due."
I think, in addition to the reference books, the computer already has information about each car model, they stupidly put a tick in front of the corresponding model and that's it. And they don’t even look in Ptsku, well, only when checking the VIN code.
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I just don’t understand, this tax kills everyone .. irritates ... that’s why in the republics of the Russian Federation ... Karachay-Cherkessia, Ingushetia, Chechnya ... why are there taxes either ridiculous or they don’t exist at all?
I have a tax for my 35 10 thousand rubles ... which already (2 years will go) does not come .............
And in Stavropol you don’t know why?
25.12.2011, 00:58
25.12.2011, 01:06
Dimsa, 150 rubles from above 250 hp :)
Like in Moscow. I come from Stavropol, a good town
25.12.2011, 01:08
I don’t think it’s worth cheating with the documents of the typewriter) as if it didn’t cost more for yourself later)
and the tax .. it is like gasoline consumption) no money for gasoline / tax? it’s better to ride a small car while you earn money for both - my opinion, which is not the ultimate truth :)
25.12.2011, 01:21
25.12.2011, 01:58
Uh-huh, I know) the only alternative is the possibility of getting some kind of term, or whatever is required for this kind of fraud, from the same state
I hope we won’t talk about the state structure here)
25.12.2011, 02:36
25.12.2011, 02:45
Arshov, there are legal ways (loopholes) to get around the tax, which many people know about :)
25.12.2011, 02:50
for example, do not register .. or is it punishable? :)
And + what you called
What, except for disability and all sorts of incompetent owners?
And in general, it’s everyone’s business, what to do .. I’m not going to impose anything on anyone ...)
25.12.2011, 12:02
25.12.2011, 12:20
I wonder how many kids you need to give birth to get exemption from income tax: d
25.12.2011, 12:48
what, except for disability and any incompetent owners?
Tax legislation in each region is different, for example, here we have
"1. The following are exempt from paying tax:
1) Heroes Soviet Union, Heroes of the Russian Federation, Heroes of Socialist Labor, full cavaliers of the Order of Glory, full cavaliers of the Order of Labor Glory;
2) participants and invalids of the Great Patriotic War, as well as combat invalids and former underage prisoners of concentration camps, ghettos and other places of detention created by the Nazis and their allies during the Second World War, one car registered per individual with an engine power of up to 100 l. With. inclusive, or a motorcycle or scooter, regardless of engine power;
(as amended by the Law of the Omsk Region dated March 1, 2004 N 511-OZ)
3) public organizations of the disabled using vehicles to carry out their statutory activities, with an engine power of up to 100 hp. inclusive;
as you can see, everything is thought out: d: d: d over 250 forces, the rate is 90 rupees 25200 for the 35th.
25.12.2011, 12:58
fx russia, as I always understood .. that all of the above persons .. are generally exempt from tax ... at least there will be 60 hp. or 400 hp
25.12.2011, 13:27
Gentlemen, this infa has no documentary evidence, but the story is absolutely real, because. I watched her personally from beginning to end. In one of the ROLFs, a wonderful BMW 550 was accepted for a trade-in. Due to the presence in the TCP, approx. 380 HP (If my memory serves me right) has not been sold for a long time. More precisely, it was not so, in the TCPe there were just 249 or 250, and this was just what confused the buyers, the crooked docks. Finally, after more than six months, a volunteer was found. A / m was safely "merged" below the purchase. The happy owner went to register the device. In the registration window, they neighed at him and said: "Dear, we will write you at least 55 hp for a certificate, the current tax authorities are not looking at all this crap now. They have special guides for the engines of all models and the tax you will receive is due." The end of the story is this. The buyer with a small loss after long negotiations returned his vehicle to the seller ..... I don’t know about the reference books in the tax office, but everything else is pure truth. So "think for yourself, decide for yourself ....."
Once again for the fluders.
1. Take an application to the MREO about making changes to the car.
2. Send this application to NAMIPTIAFOND.
3. Get an opinion on the possibility of making changes (from 5 tr.).
4. In the car service, you make out the changes made (the service must have a license for the specified work - take a copy of these documents).
5. Bring everything to the MREO and get a TCP with new hp. (for FH 35 - this is 249 from Murano).
Don't hurry nonsense about tax directories. REO annually sends data on cars and hp to the tax office.
After you complete everything, take a certificate of auto and hp to the traffic police. and take it to the tax office.
P.S. transport tax - regional tax, ie. subjects of the federation, respectively, each region has its own conditions and categories of beneficiaries.
25.12.2011, 15:24
Just like a jeep for 500-600 tr. often bought by people who are not quite wealthy. For what? In order to seem or feel a little more than you are ... I will not develop
1000 I was talking about this audience. Read Caen kleb, everyone there wants a turbo about 500 forces and for 800:lol:
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Regarding benefits in the Chelyabinsk region, please, but up to 150 horses
25.12.2011, 15:50
Personally, my date is registered for a close relative who has a disability group, and people with disabilities, as you know, do not pay transport tax at all :)
100500:agree:
Some kind of fairy tale about disabled people and they don’t pay at all)
There are no benefits for the payment of transport tax for people with disabilities due to a general illness. In accordance with the provisions of Chapter 28 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation "Transport tax", the right to establish transport tax benefits is granted to the constituent entities of the Russian Federation. The Law of the Leningrad Region dated November 22, 2002 No. 51-oz "On Transport Tax" (as amended) provides benefits to the following categories of taxpayers - individuals:
Heroes of the Soviet Union, Heroes of Socialist Labor, participants in the Great Patriotic War, veterans of military operations on the territory of the USSR and the territories of other states, citizens exposed to radiation due to the Chernobyl disaster, Heroes of the Russian Federation for one vehicle registered for citizens of these categories;
Retired owners of cars with an engine power of up to 100 horsepower (up to 73.55 kW) and motorcycles (motor scooters) with an engine power of up to 40 horsepower (up to 29.4 kW) pay a tax in the amount of 80% of the established rate for one vehicle. means registered for citizens of the specified category.
Owners of motorcycles (motor scooters) with an engine power of up to 50 horsepower (up to 36.77 kW) inclusive pay a tax in the amount of 50% of the established rate for one motorcycle (scooter) registered to citizens of this category, provided that from the date of its issue more than 15 years have passed.
Furthermore, in accordance with Art. 358 of Chapter 28 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation are not objects of taxation, that is, transport tax is not calculated on them, rowing and motor boats with an engine with a capacity of not more than 5 horsepower;
passenger cars specially equipped for use by disabled people, as well as cars with engine power up to 100 hp, received through the social protection authorities.
25.12.2011, 16:07
You give birth to three children with your wife and are generally exempt from transport tax!
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Once again for the fluders.
SEREZHA, judging by your speech, you seem to be a literate and savvy person, but you are getting personal. I repeat, the story is true. Perhaps the buyer embellished something, maybe he just didn’t like the car, although according to those. state beha was absolutely alive (I went to her).
One of the main services provided by our certification center is the reduction of the actual power of the car engine specified in the TCP. How does this happen? The reduction in engine power in PTS can be achieved in various ways. One of these methods is the re-equipment of the engine. It is also possible to reduce power if the actual physical parameters of the car allow it. For example, after testing, it will be established that the engine of your car no longer produces the power declared by the manufacturer due to the exhaustion of its resource or a technical malfunction. This is true for “borderline” power, for example, if you have 252 hp in your PTS, but in fact the engine produces 235 hp. The difference is not significant, but it greatly affects the calculation of transport tax. Thus, reducing the power in the PTS by only 10-15 hp. You get significant savings on transport tax.
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Replacing the engine in PTS. Another common way is to replace the engine in the PTS. For example, you bought a new engine in a store or ordered it from abroad and now you want to have it replaced in the TCP. In this case, the traffic police will in every possible way prevent you from registering this procedure.
Is it legal to reduce engine power in PTS and record less horsepower?
Turning to our specialists, we will help you to arrange the replacement of the engine in the PTS as simply and quickly as possible, prepare the necessary and sufficient set of documents and register it with the traffic police. After that, changes will be made to your PTS regarding engine power. If you are interested in the question of how to change the engine power in PTS, we are happy to help you!
How to reduce horsepower in PTS? In order to reduce horsepower in the PTS, you can also reduce the operating modes of turbines or mechanical superchargers, or turn them off altogether. In order to make changes to the TCP, it is necessary to obtain a conclusion on the re-equipment of the vehicle and a certificate of safety of the vehicle structure (SBKTS).
We are an accredited organization authorized to carry out the specified re-equipment with subsequent amendments to the Vehicle Passport. It is possible to reduce horsepower (hp) in PTS by contacting our specialists. We will issue the necessary set of documents and contact the traffic police to make the appropriate changes. Understating the engine power will allow you not to pay the excessively accrued transport tax, while we will take all the necessary actions, you only need to provide documents for the car and a power of attorney for our employee.
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