PCDeath Fri, 07/11/2008 - 04:24 PM
pala4, We read the forum and understand that Liqui Moly, Motul are considered good, and M8 sucks. Everything else is in between.
Of course, branded oils are good when bought from official dealers, and, preferably, you get a quality certificate for the batch from which you take the oil. But it's very cool and not everyone has it.
Krivtz Sun, 09/11/2008 - 02:56
By the way, about oil from barrels: I also have a negative attitude towards filling engine oil from large canisters (barrels), but in principle if the service is "normal" (well, no one does such garbage as "bodyaga" there), then it should be known who, when and where he brought this barrel from, but in plastic canisters from the type of an official dealer, anything can turn out. So (in my opinion) the best option, if there is no verified source, is to search the official website of the manufacturer on the net and see who is the official dealer in the city or region. This is how, for example, I did it with oil from valvoline. It used to be a famous brand. I looked around, found out the address (it is sold at retail only at their service stations) and for the fifth year there have been no complaints. True, I pour it into the car, but in Uralodnepr I pour Finnish Neste mineral oil. I buy in the "mechanics" and, interestingly, I have not seen either valvolin or Neste in auto parts stores. Here.
Papandopulo _RIP_ Sun, 09/11/2008 - 16:47
pala4, so the engine died just because of the oil? GO-NO-IN!
I followed your report from the road, you set a killer rhythm for your Ural, or maybe (I don’t confirm, but I assume) you tried to maintain this rhythm on an unrolled engine. So not on...
PS. If you started this Temko just to spit on Lukoil, then in vain. Oil is like oil, budgetary, and it will do for the opposition, unless, of course, it is scorched and you are not too lazy to change it after 2-2.5 tkm.
There is no need to treat Elias, he wrote you everything correctly.
PCDeath Sun, 09/11/2008 - 04:55 PM
pala4, Do you mean Lukoil at 20r per liter of 20W-50 from the huckster at the collapse? Or Lukoil synthetic 5W-40 API SM, bought at Lukoil's non-franchise gas station with a copy of the certificate for the batch? Clarify, please.
I have a positive attitude towards oil from barrels, because. I take s/s Esso 10W-40, from an official dealer, I have never let me down, and the price for my pocket is acceptable - about 100 rubles / liter
pedestrian Sun, 09/11/2008 - 21:00
The question is complex and ambiguous. My brother ran a factory single MT 30 thousand on Azmol Turbo-2 oil (semi-synthetic 10w40), the motor went ~ 30 kkm before him. The arrow on the speedometer had long since disappeared, and it worked like an odometer, but together the bike on the highway left the DPS nine, the oil temperature was quite low, you could keep your hand on the oil filter. Because the motorcycle is domestic, in the course of operation something fell off, changed but not in the engine (with a new oil system). Was sold and pleases the new owner. I have an MT-11, also with a new oil system, but I didn’t drive so fast even from a hill, at a cruising speed of 110 km / h, the operating oil temperature was 100-120C (ZIC oil is semi-synthetic, and the same on Azmol). Why is that? Honestly, I don’t know ... I serviced both motorcycles, made both ignitions, installed the oil system, in short, two absolutely identical engines
pala4 Mon, 10/11/2008 - 00:56
Papandopulo, So I don’t want to go into details - honestly. It's better to re-read it again - you won't understand, then I'll chew it all out. I will only say one thing: when I returned from a trip, I talked with one very intelligent master, and the conversation reached the point of butter; compared oils in the old-fashioned way, it turned out that Lukoil 15/40 is worse than m8. it is in 300-600
it loses its property. How to check and compare will not tell. If you want - go to health, I will not dissuade anyone.
Anonymous (pedestrian) Mon, 10/11/2008 - 01:31
I talked with one very intelligent master, and the conversation reached the point of butter; compared oils in the old-fashioned way, it turned out that Lukoil 15/40 is worse than m8. it is in 300-600
it loses its property. How to check and compare will not tell.
and why?
Papandopulo _RIP_ Mon, 10/11/2008 - 06:47
pala4, in detail - strength. What exactly should I read? If the topic is about your trip, then point where it is. If the manual for the operation of the Urals, then you can take my word for it, I know it.
A separate question - how did the oils compare? Even more separate - why do you think the oil loses its properties "after 300-600"?
ministrell Tue, 11/11/2008 - 13:24
VAZ 21093, mileage 177231 km (specially a pancake from the office went down, looked). No capital.
Oil 10w40 Lukoil synthetics. Buying at the same Lukoil gas station.
For its mileage and year, the car behaves more than worthy.
pala4 Tue, 11/11/2008 - 14:42
Papandopulo, Sedna looked, but unfortunately my topic died. So there, it was said that my Ural died out of the blue at a speed of 70-80 km, while it was cool, and he died after a short distance as I filled in Lukoil. I won’t write how the oils were compared, because I type a lot on the phone. I will say one thing, this experience was demonstrated to me by a very sensible mechanic.
I repeat, I do not dissuade anyone, if you want - go, I made a conclusion for myself. While in the Urals I pour mobil.
pala4 Tue, 11/11/2008 - 18:10
I rummaged through the Internet, looked at oil tests. That's interesting, almost everywhere the leading places are occupied by castrol, matul, liquid moth. But I have never seen Castrol here who recommended the thread, what is it from? Al is it too expensive? It's just that in Kaliningrad the easiest way is with Castrol, which is why I'm asking!
The second question: I'm going to pour automotive semi-synthetics into the cacique, which one to choose? requirement (the most common in Russia, relatively inexpensive cost)
pedestrian Sat, 15/11/2008 - 18:16
in the Dnieper, I pour Delphi 20w50 mineral water, everything seems to be normal, everything is clean inside, it was processed at TNK and it’s also normal and nothing jammed and there weren’t even any sticking, so it’s not good to drive like this on our oils. I recently poured semi-synthetic ZIC oil into a wheelbarrow, in appearance the packaging seems to be nothing there, let's see how it shows itself.
pedestrian Wed, 26/11/2008 - 18:45
Well, it's not an indicator. You can kill the engine much faster on supersynthetics. As far as I remember, with the union, the carriers for every 100 thousand without breakdowns drew a star on board, as for a downed fighter. I met buses (domestic) with so many stars that Pokryshkin himself would envy. And then you know what you went on
werewolf_m-72 Thu, 27/11/2008 - 07:51
In 2107 I pour only esso 10w40, and in the Urals I pour oil from a diesel locomotive (!) The brand is unknown, but I know that it is a mineral water, it looks like 20/50 in viscosity. It has all the additives. It is developed by entire laboratories, logically it is clear that
It is not possible to remove the engine from a diesel locomotive for capital, so they will not pour bad oil there, I have been using it for a long time, there are no complaints
max_04 Mon, 01/12/2008 - 09:20
what about diesel? who will clarify? why is it not recommended in the dnieper? I personally poured and drove ... in the winter there will be a capital, so I’m thinking which one to pour next ... it’s just that I have it all diesel for free, from Volvo tractors, I don’t even know the name))
pedestrian Mon, 01/12/2008 - 09:38
nanaster, In the Urals only 20W50. because it is an air vent and the temperature regime is tougher, i.e. the operating temperature of the oil is higher and its viscosity is correspondingly lower, therefore it is necessary to be thicker, especially since few people drive in winter, about winter oil is another story ...
You kill the engine, diesel oil has completely different characteristics, there are no freebies, you have to pay for everything in life ...
batjka Mon, 01/12/2008 - 10:38
On the old Cadet, Teboil was poured once, a day later the valves banged. Changed to TNK, and all knocks and wheezing disappeared. Now in the diesel Astra pour Reynol (Rheinol), mileage 240 thousand, the motor works like a clock.
Anonymous (pedestrian) Tue, 02/12/2008 - 02:07
In the Urals, only 20W50. because it is an air vent and the temperature regime is tougher, i.e. the operating temperature of the oil is higher and its viscosity is correspondingly lower, therefore thicker it is necessary,
look what one of the coolest oil manufacturers recommends pouring http://liquimoly.ru/components/
regarding oil with a higher viscosity - there was a topic about this, the bottom line is this: with a higher oil viscosity, the engine spends more energy on pumping, plus more losses in friction pairs. This means that the engine will consume more fuel, and therefore heat up more. Accordingly, it is necessary to pour thicker oil ... And so on ad infinitum
pedestrian Tue, 02/12/2008 - 02:23
abyrvalg1, liquid molly? Yes, they are the Urals, then go only in the pictures and saw them judging by the models on the site. I disagree about the energy for pumping, mechanical losses go to the oil pump comparable to mechanical losses for the operation of the camshaft cam. Liquid oil on a motor slightly overheated in the heat will quickly lose its viscosity and the frail, worn oil pump of the Urals simply will not lift it along the highway, in the end, oil starvation of the nodes and, above all, pistons will come, and then you will overheat ...
Roman_shvbsk Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:01
Everything is the same. The difference in price is determined by the difference in brand price. Within oils of the same type, of course. IMHO. Liquid Moli and Motul are called good and well-known in motorcycle circles because they have motorcycle oil. And Uralodnepr needs a thicker car, of which there are a lot of other manufacturers. It makes sense to choose cheaper and better quality for someone who buys oil in barrels. A difference of 100 rubles to a person who buys a canister of oil in his motorcycle / car will not make a difference. You can discuss this only from the love of art and the availability of free time. Again IMHO.
Anonymous (pedestrian) Tue, 02/12/2008 - 15:21
I disagree about the energy for pumping, mechanical losses go to the oil pump comparable to mechanical losses for the operation of the camshaft cam
yah? And with increasing viscosity, mechanical losses remain the same?
In fact, the plant recommended pouring M8 into the sovcoopposites, look at the viscosity of this oil. You would have stuffed solidol there (dropping point 60C)
pedestrian Tue, 02/12/2008 - 15:28
abyrvalg1, Because there was nothing else at that time, and therefore it was recommended, if you think about it, it was recommended to pour it into all Soviet equipment, like it will chew, it won’t choke, well, how can you compare the temperature regime of dropsy and a primitive air vent? Think about the meaning of the phrase "Air-oil cooling" ...
pedestrian Wed, 03/12/2008 - 00:46
Mineral oils are almost all the same in composition, but their viscosity properties differ, and the production technology has been the same for many, many many years.
And it’s simply pointless to talk about their real differences depending on the manufacturer, they are so insignificant.
It’s already funny to read the same topic for 5 years)))))
Anonymous (pedestrian) Wed, 03/12/2008 - 02:04
There was nothing else at that time.
Oddly enough, it was:
M-8V
M-8V2
M-8G2
M-8G2K
M-8DM
M-10V2
M-10G2
M-10G2K
M-10G2TSS
M-10DM
M-14V2
M-14G2TSS
M-16G2TSS
M-16IHP-Z
M-16PTs
MS-20P
MT-16P
AMG-10
B-3V
VO-12
IPM-10
MS-20
MS-8P
SM-4.5
TSP-10
TSP-15K
TEP-15
TSZP-8
TAP-15V
TAD-17I (TM-5-18)
pedestrian Wed, 03/12/2008 - 23:09
nanaster, not typical, but identical, unlike synthetics, consist almost entirely of "base oil". Produced from fuel oil by direct distillation and nothing else.
Therefore, mineral water can be mixed without problems from different manufacturers, and synthetics cannot be in any case. up to 30% it consists of well-balanced additives.
Today it is difficult to meet people who know what kind of oil a Ural motorcycle needs. But this brand consistently remains one of the most popular in our country. They are often found in the western regions and southern regions of our country. Such motorcycles - powerful and unpretentious - are very fond of rural residents.
Reasons for popularity
The main share of produced motorcycles of this brand is exported. Only 3% of the total output remains in Russia. The reason for such a small "leftover" is due to the cost of the bike. It is approximately equal to the price of a good car, if not new, but in good condition.
In recent years, the demand for this bike abroad has become simply a record. Therefore, the plant producing "Ural" was reconstructed. Component parts come from abroad, and assembly is carried out in Russia.
During the year, the plant produces about 1000 motorcycles. Moreover, all of them are sold in advance according to individual orders. "Ural" is popular in many countries. It can be found in Canada, Australia, USA, Europe.
How to choose the right oil for a Ural motorcycle
In order for the bike to work without failures, it is very important to choose the right car oil. Automotive lubricants are not suitable for Ural engines. The viscosity coefficient does not meet the requirements of the motor. In addition, completely different additives are required.
If the motorcycle is used all year round, multigrade engine oil is recommended. It contains special additives that enable the Ural to function without problems at any temperature.
For normal operation in warm weather, it is worth using summer oil. Unfortunately, today it is very problematic to meet such lubricating compounds in Russia. They are mainly sold in other countries.
For the Ural engine, the viscosity index is very important. To achieve its smooth operation, a liquid consistency is needed that will not begin to thicken at sub-zero temperatures.
In an old internal combustion engine that has served for a single year, it is better to fill in engine fluid with a high viscosity. Although, according to most owners, no oil can disable the Ural engine.
Since the model is high-end, its engine is able to work in the most difficult conditions, when the wear of parts increases.
Even in Soviet times, Ural manufacturers recommended the use of M8V1 engine oil. Interestingly, it is considered the lowest grade, but the Ural engine works great on it.
And if you fill in modern high-quality oil, it will work even better, reaching speeds of up to 120 km / h when driving on a straight road.
The most suitable oil for a Ural motorcycle is considered mineral. However, some nuances must be taken into account. If the motorcycle has undergone fashionable tuning, it is better to use semi-synthetic oil, the wear of parts will not be so great.
A bit of history
The military model BMW R71, manufactured in Germany, was taken as the basis of the Urals. During the war, our military captured a lot of such equipment. The very first sample was made during the hostilities. It differed from the German in several additional adaptations.
During the war in Iraq, in order to increase maneuverability and achieve greater mobility of the military, the Iraqi government purchased a large number of motorcycles from Russia.
To make the vehicle more stable, additional channels were attached to it. Security was carried out with the help of fixed machine guns in conjunction with flamethrowers. Improved models have become very popular with the military. After the end of the war, the American military became interested in the motorcycle.
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Few people know what oils to fill in a Ural motorcycle. The Ural motorcycle is considered the most common vehicle in the Russian Federation after cars.
It is ridden by both urban motorcyclists and rural residents. This motorcycle is especially common in the southern and western regions of Russia.
Brand popularity
Although the Ural is found everywhere in the Russian Federation, a large number of manufactured mopeds are sold to other states. In Russia, only three percent of the total remains. This is due to the considerable cost of the motorcycle. For the same price, you can buy a used car of excellent quality.
Realizing that this bike is very popular abroad, the Ural company decided to reconstruct, began to buy spare parts abroad, and perform assembly in the Russian Federation. Approximately a thousand bikes are produced annually, which are already sold in advance. It's hard to imagine which states they drive on.
"Ural" is made on the basis of military bikes "BMW R71". They were produced by the Germans in the forties of the last century. The first "Ural" was made during the Second World War, it had additional devices that distinguished it from German motorcycles. To make the army more maneuverable and mobile, Iraq bought a lot of bikes from the Russian Federation. They installed additional channels, machine-gun and flamethrower weapons. It was after the Iraq war that America began to be interested in these bikes.
Motorcycle Pros
More than seventy years of history of Ural bikes speaks volumes. These motorcycles are powerful, smooth and fast ride thanks to a productive engine. The prevalence of "Ural" around the world is due, first of all, to its excellent performance. In addition, the manufacturer is constantly making various improvements to the motorcycle engine, improving the bike.
The main unit of the "Ural" is the power unit. The possibility of driving depends on its functioning. Each motorcycle comes with an owner's manual. It prescribes the type and volume of the motor, and also indicates what oil it runs on. According to the manual, the bike has a combined engine. Lubrication of contacting parts is carried out by 2 methods: from the oil pump or by spraying engine oil.
Motorcycle engine URAL Because the engines in bikes are four-stroke, they need to choose the right lubricant for them. About what kind of oil to pour into the internal combustion engine, it is possible to find out in the operating manual. You can not pour car oil into the engine, as it has inappropriate parameters. Any manufacturer of popular lubricant has an oily fluid designed specifically for bikes. A separate specification of oils that can be poured into a motorcycle engine has not been developed. In view of this, they have the same marking as the lubricants poured into the internal combustion engines of machines. When choosing an oil product, you need to take into account the climatic conditions in which the bike will be operated. Consumables can be designed for summer, winter, or be universal.
Lubricant selection
Pour fresh grease into the Ural fork - a responsible procedure. It is necessary to choose the oil very carefully, because the motorcycle clutch is completely immersed in the lubricating fluid. Auto oil should not be poured into a four-stroke "Ural" engine, because it has an unsuitable viscosity coefficient. Bike oil has a completely different set of filler elements.
Conclusion
Bikes "Ural", no matter how much oil you pour, will always show their good side. Not just because they are distributed around the world, despite the problems in the economy. Previously, in the Soviet Union, only one oil suitable for the Urals was produced - mineral water M8V1.
Today, with a variety of oils, choosing the right one is quite difficult. If you don't have M8B1, and the bike is not tuned, pour mineral water. Otherwise, use a semi-synthetic consumable.
Few people know what kind of oil to pour into a Ural motorcycle. Meanwhile, this model is the most popular vehicle in Russia after cars. Such motorcycles have long and firmly entered the lives of urban residents and the rural population, they can be found both in the south of the country and in the western regions.
The Ural motorcycle is widely used by different segments of the population, the motorcycle model with a sidecar is especially popular.
Brand popularity
Although the Ural brand is found everywhere in Russia, the lion's share of motorcycles produced is exported to other countries. Only 3 percent of the total remains at home. This is due to the high price of the bike, because with this money you can buy a car, although not new, but of quite good quality. Therefore, people in the country prefer to buy cars or other, cheaper motorcycles.
Since the demand for "Ural" abroad beats all records, the plant decided to reconstruct the enterprise, and since recently, almost all components are purchased in other countries, and only assembled in Russia. About 1000 motorcycles are produced per year, which are already sold to future buyers in advance. It is impossible to imagine on the roads of which countries this bike rides, because there are a great many of them in the USA, Europe, Canada, Australia and other countries.
The main interest is not the bike itself, but its sidecar, because it simply does not have analogues in these and other countries.
The vast majority of Ural motorcycles are made with a sidecar, although there are models without it, but they are not in great demand.
Motorcycle "Ural" is made on the basis of military motorcycles BMW R71, produced in Germany during the Third Reich, which were captured by the military back in the 40s of the twentieth century. The first "Ural" was released almost immediately, back in wartime, and had a number of additional devices that distinguished it from German bikes. During the war in Iraq, a large number of Urals were purchased by the Iraqi army to increase the maneuverability and mobility of the military.
For strengthening and stability, additional channels were attached to the motorcycle, and for safety - machine guns and flamethrowers. Such advanced machines were a huge success with the military, and it was after that war that the United States became interested in these motorcycles. The Russian army, on the contrary, completely abandoned these bikes, motivating its decision by the high cost and inflexible proposals of the manufacturer's management.
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Advantages of the Urals
Scheme of the passage of oil in the engine of the motorcycle "Ural".
More than 70 years of history of Ural motorcycles speaks for itself. These bikes are powerful, smooth and fast, and in speed they are not inferior to a car. In addition, manufacturers position this vehicle as a "motorcycle with a masculine character" - the same tough, direct and reliable. The huge popularity of the model all over the world is based primarily on confidence in its endurance and maneuverability, and its speed and technical characteristics are admirable. In addition, the manufacturer with enviable constancy modernizes the motorcycle again and again, improving its quality.
The main technical unit of the bike is the engine, on the operation of which the movement of the entire motorcycle depends. Each copy is accompanied by instructions for use, which indicates the type of engine and recommended types of lubricants. According to the instructions, the Ural motorcycle has a combined engine, that is, the rubbing parts are lubricated in two ways - the parts are lubricated from the oil pump and by spraying oil, while there is a strict lubrication procedure that must not be violated.
Since the engines in modern Urals are mostly four-stroke, then the oil must be selected accordingly. You can read about what kind of oil to pour into a Ural motorcycle in the very instructions. You should not fill the bike with automotive oils, because they have different characteristics. Each oil manufacturer with a global brand in the line also has a lubricant designed specifically for motorcycles. At the same time, there are no designations and classifications of lubricants for motorcycles, therefore they are labeled in the same way as automobile lubricants. Depending on the operating conditions, the oil is selected primarily according to the weather season. It can be summer, winter or all-weather lubricants, and each of them has its own characteristics.
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Oil selection
Changing the oil in the Ural engine is a very important task, especially if its deadline has already come up. Since the clutch of bikes is completely immersed in lubricant, its choice must be approached with all responsibility. As mentioned above, automotive oils are not suitable for four-stroke Ural engines, as their viscosity does not match the desired one. In motor oil for motorcycles, the set of impurities and additives is completely different from that in automobiles, which is why it works in a slightly different way.
If the bike is used year-round, which is rare in harsh Russian winters, then it makes sense to fill in all-weather oil. Such a lubricant has a number of advantages over others, as it contains special additives, thanks to which the oil is equally effective at both low and high temperatures. Manufacturers of such oil conduct thorough and long-term tests of their products at various, even abnormal, temperatures, and at the same time its quality does not suffer in any way.
In cases where the motorcycle is operated only in warm weather, summer oils can be used. They are very popular and perform their functions perfectly. Unfortunately, they are rarely found on Russian shelves, but it’s still worth looking for.
When choosing oil for a motorcycle engine, it is important to consider its viscosity. For the smooth operation of the motor, a sufficiently liquid lubricant is needed that does not thicken at low temperatures. If the engine is very worn out, it makes sense to fill in engine oil with a higher viscosity than the instructions require, since such an engine emits a lot of smoke when driving, and thick oil will help to avoid this. Many owners of "Urals" are sure that no, even the most low-quality oil, can spoil the operation of the motor.
Since the motorcycle is of a high class, and has a "masculine character", its engine has all the qualities that are needed under increased loads, even if its wear is strong enough. As a rule, since Soviet times, the Ural motorcycle manufacturers themselves recommend M8V1 oil in the instructions. It is considered one of the poorest quality, but the engine runs great on it. You can imagine how the motor will work on a good high-quality lubricant.
He will not drive, but fly, which he does, developing a maximum speed of up to 120 km / h on a straight road. But such a speed can be very dangerous on the roads, so it is more comfortable and safer to drive at a speed of 60-80 km / h, not only on a good track, but also on country and forest paths. Almost any mineral lubricant is suitable for such a movement, while it is more profitable from an economic and practical point of view to use the cheaper one, because there will be no difference between them.
