EXACTLY A YEAR HAS BEEN SINCE THE BRIDGESTONE ECOPIA EP850 TIRES WERE INSTALLED ON THE GRAND VITARA. HOW IS THEIR HEALTH? WHAT ARE OUR IMPRESSIONS?
Let's make a reservation right away that the mileage for the reporting period, since last summer, was not too significant - about 12,500 km. The reason here is obvious - now seasonal wheel re-shoes are in the order of things. It used to be that they used to drive on the same tires all year round, but now it will get a little colder, the more snow will fall, queues are lining up in front of tire shops. People have lost the habit of relying on their ability to drive a car in a difficult situation - the majority blindly trust new technologies, new opportunities ...
Of course, we also drove a lot on winter tires, by the way, also “Bridgestone”, studded, but now we are not talking about them. But it just so happened that last year the seasonal tire change was delayed - everyone around was already clicking spikes on the asphalt, and we were all rustling the Ecopia. It was a pity to grind off the spikes - every year the conviction is becoming stronger that winter friction tires are still more appropriate in the capital. As a result, we reached the first snow. Maybe not change? "Ecopia" keeps well on slippery surfaces! The rubber is soft, does not particularly lose elasticity at low temperatures, plus a fairly developed siping - that's the result. Well, yes, it’s not worth the risk - when it got serious, they changed their shoes anyway.
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The wear was recently assessed by measuring the tread depth. On two wheels, there is practically no tangible difference compared to new tires, no more than a millimeter has been erased for the above run. The wear of the other two tires is more noticeable - 2-3 mm, and wear is especially noticeable in the shoulder areas of the tread. They stood on the front axle, this year they moved them back in order to average wear on all tires. It should be noted that the tires have never been pumped up in a year - pressure measurements showed that there is no air leakage at all.
To be honest, it’s difficult to find fault with Ecopia, and that’s the problem - what to tell the reader after a year of tire operation? It would probably be possible to arrange some kind of hydroplaning test, measure the braking distance during emergency braking, but for this there are tests so loved by manufacturers, and we have repeatedly written about such tests in the pages of the magazine. Today we have a consumer test: an ordinary driver is unlikely to somehow specially check tires - he just drives them, and he either likes them in terms of performance, or not very much.
Ecopia EP850 belongs to the class of ecological tires, and the manufacturer says that when using them, fuel savings of 3.9% can be achieved. Indirectly, this is evidenced by the lower rolling resistance, and hence the greater free run of the car on these tires compared to competitors. However, this is in theory, in practice it is probably also possible to achieve savings, but we did not succeed ... Or rather, we were not able to feel it. We willingly believe that there is savings, but it is almost impossible to fix it in life. On this score, you should not flatter yourself, but I would like to, looking at the price tags at gas stations.
But the off-road ability of tires is already something tangible, although this assessment, of course, will be subjective. Of course, "Ecopia" is not intended for real dirt, but if it is placed on an SUV, it belongs to the SUV category, then it is absolutely useless to give in outside the asphalt. In this regard, we have the following observation. In the autumn I had to make my way to the village under a tedious drizzling rain. The passenger in the right seat was nervous: “Maybe we won’t risk it - we’ll get there on foot?” It can be understood: a house with a warm stove, a set table is already looming ahead, friends are waiting, and you don’t want to sit down here in a rut, fiddle with a shovel, or even go in search of a tractor. The tread of our tires is frankly road! Of course, for better grip, one could lower the tires, but ... And who is not lazy ?! Turning on 4x4Lock mode without leaving the car is within our power. The car obediently falls into a shallow rut. Let's go! However, further deeper, and in order not to hang on the "belly", it's time to get out. Steering wheel to the right, accurate throttle work - Suzuki jumps out of the rut! Of course, there is nothing to compare with, but "Ecopia" did not disappoint, fully justified our timid hopes. Probably, the soft and small tread sticks well to the muddy clay, which is why the turned front wheels were able to catch on the edge of the track and pulled the car out of it.
So, both on asphalt and off it, we liked the Ecopia EP850. If there are reasons for frustration or, on the contrary, for even greater delight, we will definitely share them with our readers.
Reviews of car owners about tires Bridgestone Ecopia EP850
Yandex Market
Excellent model
Advantages: 1. Relatively quiet tires 2. Perfectly holds on a wet road, in heavy rain, even if you get into a rut 3. Sidewalls are strong - I park near the house to the curbs. There are no hernias or other problems 4. Wear is minimal 5. The price is acceptableFlaws: not seen
A comment: We drive on this rubber for the third season, we have already driven more than 50 thousand km. We were in the Crimea with my family - they rode along the mountainous rocky roads near Bakhchisaray and off-road to the Volga. Rubber is strong - there were no breakdowns. Satisfied and recommend to everyone.
Excellent model
Experience: over a year
Advantages: 1) Stable on everything. 2) There is even some patency (to my surprise). Possibly still new. 3) They brake well. 4) No hydroplaning detected. 5) Quiet. 6) Wear not identified. 7) There were no penetrations. 8) Easy balancing. 9) Soft.Flaws: 1) Pro-in Thailand. 2) Nondescript appearance.
A comment: Skated 1 season on Pradik in Moscow. After the winter on the Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V2, I did not feel any reduction in noise. Either Velcro was so quiet, or these are so noisy. Everything else is just pluses. You can take!)
Eduardovich Arshak, Ecopia is a bit noisier than Blizzak DM-V2, I drive such ones myself, otherwise there are only pluses, low wear and tenacity!
good model
User experience: less than a month
Advantages: Good road tire, moderately soft compared to stock dueler. The noise for me is within the normal range, given that there is no Shumka from the manufacturer in the car.Flaws: A lot of stones get stuck in the tread. Price.
A comment: The price last year was 1000-1500 rubles. less is a major disappointment. The dollar seems to have fallen and the price has risen. Those. was medium budget, and now in a different price category.
Terrible modelUsing experience: more than a year
Advantages: SizeFlaws: All
A comment: I wrote a review here about the 850 ecopia, but it was not published. By the way, many of my real reviews are not published, mostly enthusiastic. Renault Duster car. I went in the summer on a regular amtel. I wanted to buy something for the road, so that I can drive fast on the highway, I don’t climb into the mud. Bought these tires after reading reviews and the price was right. But when I went on the highway, I did not understand at first. Firstly, the car did not accelerate on them, as if sticking to the asphalt. Further, the noise, or rather the howl, was and is always on any surface, and where the amtel goes quietly, these howl low. Consumption, on the contrary, increased by 1.5 liters. The joints may be quieter, but I did not understand it. The only plus, unlike the Amtel, is the lack of aquaplaning. And for me in the summer it is important, because the rains are not uncommon. My advice is don't trust the reviews. Take famous brands of tires Continental Conti Contact. Having traveled on it for two summers, the tire began to make even more noise, it was erased almost completely, it’s scary to drive more than 70 on the highway in puddles and in the downpour, it throws it off the road. The result was a rupture of the side surface at a speed of 130 with a loaded duster of 250 kg, this is a consequence of lapping to the curb near the house. When the tire deflated on the rim, the sidewall felt like a rag. Now I'm looking at other brands for the summer with this size. I don’t know what to take, the reviews are all fake, if there are real ones, then the moderators may have overlooked them. Even here I am writing a review for the second time about this rubber, they may delete it again.
Zhemaletdinov Rifat, At home Bridgestone (summer version), Nissan Qashqai, traveled 6 seasons. The mileage over the summer was both small, and there were more, incl. over long distances.
Trifonova Olga, Do you have the same 850? We drive at different speeds. you probably never went more than 140, but I never go less than 140.
I bought 2 tires Tigar Summer Suv 215/70, quieter than this one, I have not tested rubber yet. And already rode on different surfaces, in the rain on the highway 150-170, the road keeps perfect. I drove through a deep puddle at a speed of about 100, even the steering wheel did not twitch. In frost -5 it is also ideal, the joints are not audible at all. Now I hear the howl of a defective quief in the checkpoint, starting from higher speeds, although I used to hear only from 30 km per hour, now from 60-70. Who knew that there is such rubber, then Bridgestone would not have bought ecocopy.
Excellent model
Experience: over a year
Advantages: price stability excellent road holdingFlaws: not very pretty
A comment: I’ve been driving these bagels for the second year - it keeps the road well, I drove into the water at speed - it drains water normally, it’s relatively normal in mud on full drive, because it’s designed for asphalt. For two years, the wear is very small. Generally satisfied. Advantages: Stability both on asphalt and on a primer (clay / sand), "does not float" in a rut, swallows uneven asphalt, ideally hold the road in heavy rain
Flaws: noisy on dry asphalt, small gravel gets stuck in the tread
A comment: Today we were pleased with the tires in disgusting weather - a heavy downpour, with wind and zero visibility, the track is flooded with water so that from the oncoming stream the water not only flows over the car, but also calmly flies far beyond the right side. At the same time, the car "rushes like a tank" and calmly withstands the onslaught of nature. When "flying" at 90 km / h on wet asphalt with a track - no hydroplaning and other "joys". It rushes through clay like a stubborn donkey :) But fine gravel gets stuck in the tread, and then knocks on the bottom. To my ears - noisy (but this is purely subjective perception) Size 225/65/R17
Excellent model
Experience of use: several months
Advantages: price relative to leading brands, good stability on wet roads, ideal tires in the rain. Well balanced.Flaws: a bit noisy, compare with Nexen
Therefore, landfills like the Land Rover Experience near Dmitrov are paramount and essential.
There, already established and future owners of Land Rover cars can feel the whole "depth of our depths" and, of course, once again be happy for themselves. Several tracks of different difficulty levels, experienced and (most importantly) patient instructors, a whole fleet of vehicles for every taste - and the day will not be spent in vain.
Yes, the landfill itself is no longer news. But we decided to combine business with pleasure: to restore some off-road driving skills in memory and break in tire innovations from Bridgestone. This season, Japanese tire manufacturers have presented three surprises for fans of all-wheel drive at once: a new generation of economical tires Ecopia EP 850 and two versions of the popular Dueler line - off-road A / T 697 and more versatile, designed for premium users H / P Sport.
Ecopia is a range of tires with low rolling resistance and increased wear resistance. By themselves, these tires are not a revelation: competitors have similar offers. But this year, the Japanese made a double breakthrough: they proposed dimensions for popular crossovers and, most importantly, they thoroughly worked on reducing the braking distance. Now we can safely say that such tires not only save fuel (according to Bridgestone representatives, up to 4% savings are achieved), but also slow down on dry and wet surfaces no worse than the rest. So, compared with the universal model Dueler H / L 683, the braking distance of the new Ecopia EP850 from a speed of 80 km / h on a wet surface was reduced from 31.4 to 30.1 meters. In addition, specifically for entry-level crossovers, the development of new tires paid special attention to reducing noise levels. True, everyone could not be convinced of this on their own experience: Discovery 4, "shod" in Ecopia tires, went to a part of the track where there were no braking areas. But the fact that these tires are really quiet and perfectly cling to asphalt and concrete could easily be seen on the descents and ascents of varying degrees of steepness.
But a much more exciting ride lay ahead: a gravel road slalom in a Range Rover powered by a mighty 4.4-liter turbodiesel. How dynamic this car is, I think, it is not necessary to tell. And just for him and similar powerful SUVs this year, Bridgestone offers the Dueler H / P Sport line with an asymmetric tread pattern. 1,100 meters of turns of varying difficulty and half an hour. How can you not "get out"? 339 hp, 750 Nm, four-wheel drive and ... No, we don’t bring it down. To begin with - a slow circle under the guidance of an instructor. On the "straight lines" we add gas and slow down, all turns are either under even gas or under reset. Steering wheel straight - gas. We don't slow down in corners. The car itself will choose the mode of movement, the electronics will insure, and the tires will cling to solid areas of the coating until the last moment.
Many will say that, they say, driving around a training ground where the track is calculated and profiled for a specific car is not interesting. And they will be totally wrong. 15 laps flew by as one. The main thing is not to slow down in corners and feel the grip threshold - the moment the wheels break off the trajectory is perfectly felt on the steering wheel. And then you can rush so that the dust does not have time to settle from the previous circle. As the instructors assure, even in such a barbaric mode, the tires have never let them down: the tensile strength of the Dueler H / P Sport is very high.
And finally, we left a forest trial track, along which only Defender passes. This device deserves respect only for the fact that even with a manual transmission it is easy to manage. We turn on the lower row, block the rear differential, turn on the first gear, release the clutch - and Def creeps. Through bushes, on top of overturned logs, along a half-meter track ... A ford 50 cm deep? No problem. Ditch? Yes please. And in all this, special tires Dueler A / T 697 with powerful side lugs, deep tread, powerful rim structure - everything you need for serious off-road adventures help the car. But, oddly enough, many buyers love them not for this, but for ... white letters on the edging and a menacing look. The Japanese promise that the driver of an SUV, "shod" in Dueler A / T 697, will not feel flawed on the pavement. Okay, let's take our word for it. But as soon as we have the opportunity to compare with competitors, we will definitely do it.
The Ecopia brand comes from the words Ecology and Utopia - a kind of ecological perfectionism has turned out. The hitherto unheard-of commitment to economy is driven by modern European regulations: Emissions can be reduced mainly by reducing fuel consumption. I am sure that few of the readers seriously wondered about the search for economical tires - the ratio of grip properties and price usually comes first. But the characteristics that the Japanese tire manufacturers promise are very curious: the Ecopia light line (EP150, EP200 and EP850), which appeared this year, reduces fuel consumption compared to B250 tires by 7.1%, 12.3% and 3.9%, respectively. ! It is hard to believe in such figures, but if they close to the truth, then this is a serious breakthrough in the tire industry.
A/T 697 - the most off-road tires in range
At the off-road Land Rover Experience, I was able to do a mini-test of another line of tires designed specifically for SUVs: Dueler H/P Sport, Ecopia EP850 and Dueler A/T 697. As of recently, all vehicles of the training center will be equipped with these tires. First in line is the Ecopia EP850, which boasts a comfortable and quiet ride, good braking on wet surfaces and the traditional Bridgestone high sidewall strength. With a 15.7% reduction in rolling resistance, this tire promises a 3.9% reduction in fuel consumption compared to the Dueler H/L 683. The linear range includes as many as 23 sizes (15-19 inches). Of course, it is difficult to immediately feel all the subtleties of the novelty, but you can get some information. For example, driving up a mountain with a 45-degree slope or driving with a 30-degree slope. Firstly, Discovery perfectly holds on to the concrete surface, showing no signs of slipping. And secondly, with a steep side slope, there is practically no vile tire sidewall - everything is withinadmissible. Another model, the Dueler H/P Sport, which follows the pattern of the Potenza RE050, is designed for premium SUVs such as the Range Rover. For these purposes, a high-speed section has been prepared at the site, laid along a dirt ring road. Already more interesting. But to “understand” the tires here is perhaps even harder. Oddly enough, on purely asphalt tires, the Range can be driven quite recklessly, only occasionally floating out of the turn with the front axle - and everything is extremely predictable. The third novelty is the Dueler A/T 697, which is currently the most off-road tire in the SUV range. MT mud tires are not yet supplied to us, which is very strange - where, if not in Russia, will there be at least a close demand for them? But the 697th Dueler behaves well on the crossroads. And judging by the performance distribution diagram shown at the presentation, the tires have become more durable and passable (compared to the 694th model), although there are fewer sipes on the shoulder block fornoise reduction. Overall, Bridgestone is on the right track. It is especially pleasing that the company constantly tests for strength and wear resistance, as a result of which Japanese tires are perfectly adapted to Russian realities. And for our country, these features are still more important than fuel efficiency.
Flaws:
- a little noisy
Detailed specifications
Seasonality summer Spikes no Appointment for SUV RunFlat technology no
General characteristics
Purpose for SUV Seasonality summer Diameter 15 / 16 / 17 / 18 / 19 Profile width 205 / 215 / 225 / 235 / 245 / 255 / 265 / 275 / 285 Profile height 50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 / 75Functions and Features
Spikes No RunFlat Technology No Maximum speed index H (up to 210 km/h) / T (up to 190 km/h) / V (up to 240 km/h) Load index 95…116 690…1250 kgVideo reviews and tests
Summer tires Bridgestone Ecopia EP850, the first in the line of eco-tires with low rolling resistance, fuel economy up to 3.9%. Designed for SUVs with all-wheel drive and crossovers. Guarantees comfortable movement with a quiet, smooth ride. Improved braking and wear resistance.
Clear controllability
A car equipped with this version of the tires instantly obeys the steering wheel and is distinguished by a shortened braking distance on a wet highway. The advantage is a long service life.
Comfort and silence
The soft, quiet running of the tire creates a comfortable feeling and gives a lot of pleasure from driving a dynamic car. At the same time, fuel consumption is quite economical.
The first tire of the Ecopia line
The summer tire of the new line combines excellent handling, low noise and comfortable sensations on the road.
Characteristic qualities
The Bridgestone Ecopia EP850 product is the result of the work of Japanese engineers in terms of the use of energy-efficient tires for SUVs. Basically, the product is intended for transport of excellent cross-country ability. Improved key qualities were achieved without sacrificing reliability.
We will continue our review of the eco-tire by considering the pattern of the outer profile of the wheel. The asymmetry and design of the tread is not designed to go beyond the boundaries of ideal urban highways. Together with the side parts, five rings are visible on the tire. The inner and outer rings differ in slots and are separated by an annular rib in the center.
Two parts of this edge are cut into quadrangular blocks. This original solution provides reliable directional stability, efficient acceleration, even on a sliding road surface.
The diamond-shaped parts of the ring in the center are turned at an angle to the movement, which improves traction and tire grip.
Increased rigidity and reinforced construction distinguishes the shoulder areas of the wheels. Rigid sidewalls, together with a small profile radius, create an enlarged contact spot area, its correct shape, along which the external pressure force is equally distributed.
As a result, excellent adhesion to the road surface is created, the rubber wears more evenly, and the service life of the product is extended.
Key Benefits
The asymmetrically positioned tread pattern determines strong adhesion to the freeway, in various situations, and low traffic resistance.
The material incorporating active silica acid, specific elements with a long chemical formula, is placed in the outer shell of the tire, which reduces tire heating and saves fuel.
Many rhombuses of the central part of the wheel are deployed at an angle to the direction of movement of the car. For this reason, traction and traction are enhanced.
Rigid, with increased strength, sidewalls are erased more evenly, this improves the quality of handling.
Consumer reviews
Alexander:
Overall, I'm happy with these bagels. Water diverts efficiently, keeps the course normally. I tried it in the mud on all-wheel drive - we drove relatively safely, although it is intended only for asphalt. I flew into puddles at speed, passed steadily. Not a very pretty look. It hasn't faded in almost two years. You can put 4 points out of 5 possible.
Anonymous:
Does not float on a track, smooths out small irregularities in broken asphalt. In a good downpour, the road keeps perfectly. It's a bit noisy on dry pavement. Small pebbles get stuck in the slots of the profile.
Yesterday there was a piercing wind, a continuous stream of water from the sky, the track was flooded with water. At the same time, the machine pearled like a tank, withstood the onslaught of the elements with dignity. On clay, the tire goes like a stubborn donkey, without hydroplaning and other jokes, such as slipping. Gravel gets stuck in the lamellas and then knocks on the bottom. But these are trifles compared to excellent handling and a steady course. I rate it 5, with a small minus.
Andrey:
I like the price, in comparison with leading brands, it is quite acceptable. Resistant in the rain, steering on a wet track. Well balanced. A little noisy. Ideal tires for urban crossovers. My rating is 5.
