"Hodovka" Datsun
The uncomplicated scheme of the chassis of the Datsun on-Do and models, copied from the domestic one, has high reliability and efficiency. At the same time, the price tag for its service is more than moderate. And the initial focus on the domestic market and its conditions only added points to the asset of the chassis of the "Japanese". However, the ideal option does not exist and a breakdown in the Dastun suspension is a matter of time, although not soon.
Chassis Dastun on-Do - bottom view (front section).
Troubleshooting for Datsun
This is within the power of the driver himself, since the layout is simple and well-established. Therefore, it is by no means necessary to go to a certified service station. In addition, a significant part of the he-Do malfunctions is eliminated on its own, and the repair process is described in detail in the mi-Do service manual.
Suspension Datsun on-Do and mi-Do - a general view from below.
Diagnostics of probable breakdowns is carried out in accordance with the available table.
| Noise and knocking in the suspension when the car is moving | |||
| Defective telescopic suspension struts | Replace or repair racks | ||
| The bolts securing the anti-roll bar to the body have loosened. Wear of rubber pads stretch marks or rods | Tighten bolts, replace worn pads | ||
| Weakened mounting of the upper support of the suspension strut to the body | Tighten the top support nuts | ||
| Draft, destruction of the rubber element of the rack support | |||
| Wear of rubber-metal hinges of suspension arms, stretch marks or stabilizer bar struts | Replace hinges | ||
| Suspension arm ball joint wear | Replace ball joint | ||
| Suspension spring settling or failure | Replace spring | ||
| Stroke Buffer Destruction | Replace Buffer | ||
| Large wheel imbalance | Balance the wheels | ||
| Fluid leaking from the strut (rear suspension shock absorber) | |||
| Wear or destruction of the stem seal | Replace seal | ||
| Knocks, scuffs on the stem, damage to the chrome plating | Replace worn or damaged stem and packing | ||
| Shrinkage or damage to the O-ring of the strut housing (shock absorber reservoir) | Replace ring | ||
| Insufficient resistance of the suspension strut (rear suspension shock absorber) during recoil | |||
| Recoil valve or relief valve leak | |||
| Insufficient fluid due to leakage | Replace damaged parts and refill fluid | ||
| Seizures on the cylinder and piston ring | Replace damaged parts and fluid | ||
| Wear or damage to the fluoroplastic layer of the guide bush | Replace guide bushing | ||
| Recoil valve spring settlement | Replace spring | ||
| Filter the fluid or change it | |||
| Insufficient resistance of the suspension strut (rear suspension shock absorber) during the compression stroke | |||
| Compression valve leak | Replace damaged parts or repair them. | ||
| Insufficient fluid due to leakage | Replace damaged parts and pour liquid | ||
| Stem wear or damage to the fluoroplastic layer of the guide bush | Replace worn parts | ||
| The presence of impurities in the liquid | Filter or change fluid | ||
| Wear, deformation or destruction of compression valve disks | Replace worn or damaged discs | ||
| Frequent "breakdowns" of the suspension | |||
| Suspension spring settlement | Replace spring | ||
| Strut not working (rear suspension shock absorber) | Replace or repair strut (rear shock absorber) | ||
| Increased clearance in the ball joint | |||
| Wear of the rubbing surfaces of the ball joint parts as a result of contamination caused by leakage or damage | Replace ball joint | ||
| Driving the vehicle away from straight ahead | |||
| Different air pressure in tires | Set normal pressure | ||
| Violation of wheel alignment angles | Adjust wheel alignment | ||
| Destruction of the rubber element of one of the suspension strut supports | Replace rubber strut support | ||
| Unequal elasticity of suspension springs | Replace a spring that has lost its elasticity | ||
| Significant difference in tire wear | Replace worn tires | ||
| Increased front wheel imbalance | Balance the wheels | ||
| Increased tire tread wear | |||
| Too sharp acceleration with wheel slip | Avoid hard acceleration | ||
| Frequent use of wheel lock brakes | When braking, do not bring the wheels to block | ||
| Wheel alignment angles are violated Vehicle overloading | Adjust wheel alignment. Do not exceed the allowable loads specified in the instruction manual. | ||
| Uneven tire tread wear | |||
| Increased cornering speed | Reduce your speed in a turn | ||
| Large wear of ball joints of suspension arms and rubber-metal joints | Repair suspension | ||
| Wheel imbalance | Balance the wheels | ||
The Japanese state employee Datsun on-DO is the brother of our Lada Granta. Haven't the problems of a Russian relative been inherited by the "Japanese"? We decided to find out and came to the conclusion that there is too much noise around all the "sores" of on-DO. And in the literal sense.
It is worth recognizing that not all Datsun on-DO malfunctions have been confirmed by the official representative office. However, some problems behind the model are indeed recognized, but how they are eliminated - and whether they are relevant at all - we were told by the brand's specialists.
Loud noise during operation of the air conditioning compressor
Some on-DO owners complain that their car hums like a tractor. Someone, on the contrary, rejoices and jokingly says that the car sounds like a supercar. This noise can be characterized in different ways, but it has one source: it is the air conditioner compressor. Often, owners note that when the air conditioner is turned on, the car makes extraneous sounds - as if something is touching somewhere under the hood.
In the official representation of Datsun, we were confirmed that this really happens - more precisely, it happened. "As it was revealed, this noise is due to the design of the air conditioning tubes during compressor operation. For car owners, a warranty replacement of the tube with a tube with a silencer was introduced, for new cars - a design change at the factory. This issue was resolved at the end of 2014, that is, at the start sales, and is not relevant today," the representative office assured.
Gearbox hum
But this sound went to "Datsun" by inheritance from his Russian relative, Lada Granta. There are already legends among the people about the "VAZ" mechanical gearbox and its vocal data. The characteristic hum is very easily recognizable from a thousand and has not gone away for many years, although the design of the box has been updated: the cable drive has been installed and the equipment has been changed to improve the quality of the gears, but the box continues to “sing”. on-DO received the same mechanics - accordingly, the character of the box has not changed.
"The hum is a feature of this gearbox, we see the reason in the design of the gearbox, namely in the profile of the gear teeth. In mid-2016, a measure was introduced to reduce the noise of a mechanical gearbox, which consists in changing the profile of the teeth of the second and main gears, on which noise manifests itself to a greater extent. Thus, it was possible to significantly reduce the noise level of the manual gearbox," the representative office notes.
However, this rumble, perhaps, cannot be called a full-fledged "childhood illness" - rather an annoying design feature. But the manufacturer, it turns out, does not sit idly by and finalizes the design.
Generator noise
Yes, and again - noise! So it turns out that the "sick" on-DO is quite noisy. Another source of excessive noise under the hood can be a generator - according to some owners, the tensioner pulley starts to “sing”. However, the official representative office notes that there are no problems with the generator on cars currently being produced, and on cars a little older there are no problems with warranty replacements.
"When addressing the issue of generator noise, the dealer must check all parts and, in case of malfunction, replace under warranty. For new cars, this particular issue is not relevant today," Datsun said.
Ball joint squeak
However, the representative office did not confirm some malfunctions in the official commentary - for example, the rapid wear of ball bearings. Meanwhile, owners quite often pay attention to squeaks in the front suspension and talk about cases of warranty replacements.
However, Datsun notes that they are constantly working to improve the model and collect complaints from the owners. "We collect statistics on customer requests, study feedback from dealerships, work closely with production. Despite the fact that over the three years of project preparation, tremendous engineering work has been carried out to adjust and refine the technical part of the models, the base on which our cars are built , has room for improvement and elimination of hereditary features.The fact that we have achieved positive changes in any issue does not mean that we stop monitoring it in the future.Despite the positive results, we are analyzing deviations that may cause increased noise , we are negotiating with colleagues in the Alliance and discussing what else can be done in this direction. Also, many issues are being resolved at the level of adjustments in production for new cars and at the level of contacting the dealer for already sold ones, "says Datsun.
Of course, the owners of classmates-competitors can gloat and be in full confidence that they definitely made the right choice and bought the most reliable and trouble-free car. But there are no perfect cars, and the fact that your favorite model has not yet appeared in this section means only one thing: we just haven’t got to it yet.
Datsun models are firmly conquering the Russian market, and their number on the roads is growing rapidly. Nevertheless, many still doubt the advisability of purchasing a Japanese he-Do sedan, thinking about whether to give preference to it, or save a little and buy a Russian car? Or even buy a used foreign car? In search of an answer, they re-read forums with reviews from real owners of the Datsun on-Do over and over again in order to find out in advance about the weaknesses of the sedan. Quite a lot of time has passed since the launch of Datsun in the series, so it is already possible to draw certain conclusions about the reliability of the model.
How is the reliability of He-Do?
Fallacy of thinking
Often in reviews of the Datsun on-Do you can find angry exclamations regarding the lack of "pleasant little things", like a mirror in the visors, an armrest, niches for telephones, disks, and the like. However, do not forget that this is a matter of equipment, and if during the inspection or test drive the future owner did not pay attention to such moments or decided to save on equipment, then the car and the company should not be blamed for this.
Basic equipment is one of the reasons for complaints about on-Do. But reliability has nothing to do with it.
The main aspects that forum visitors pay attention to when viewing feedback on he-Do are reliability, expense, ease of use, maintenance cost, possible improvements, operations that can be performed independently, etc.
In general, reviews of the Datsun on-Do are positive. Of course, it cannot do without negative ones, but they are clearly a minority. In addition, it is always necessary to take into account the subjective factor, namely, from which car its current owner moved to Datsun.
Positive reviews
They, as a rule, relate to acceptable driving characteristics, good suspension performance, a high-torque engine, a huge trunk, a fairly quiet cabin, and more.
Oleg
So, the owner of he-Do Oleg from Moscow purchased a new sedan on February 23, 2015, but released on December 15, 2014, with a manual transmission and an 87-horsepower engine in the Dream 1 version. other) he cost him 450,000 rubles. At the moment, the car has traveled 27,000 km on plains, highways, mountainous terrain, serpentines and country roads. Oleg's opinion is especially important, since by the nature of his activity he travels a lot (300-500 km daily).
Oleg is very pleased with his choice.
At first, he-Do was controlled a little nervously, but after 1,000 km of break-in everything became normal. The owner notes the good dynamics of the engine, which is enough for overtaking even with the climate control on, with a flow rate of 7 liters of AI-95 on the highway. Noise isolation is not bad, the seats are comfortable, pleases a large trunk. The clearance is also sufficient to drive to the country house or along the country road without hitting anything.
Nikita
This is a review from a Kazakh customer who bought a brand new, 87-horsepower He-Do with a manual, trust 1 configuration in Aktobe just a month ago. The issue price is 1,590,000 tenge. Mileage is still extremely small - only 600 km. Nevertheless, Nikita notes that the car holds the road well, and does not lag behind in the stream. Love the roomy trunk, which is very important for a large family. The sedan is spacious and high, the visibility is excellent, including due to the high landing, and there is enough space in the back, the ground clearance is also pleasing. At the moment, there are no serious problems on the technical side.
Nikita's sedan from Kazakhstan also does not cause any special problems to its owner.
Victor
He bought a Datsun he-Do 2014 in Yekaterinburg, in February 2015, with an 82 hp engine. With. and MT. The car is operated quite actively and today the mileage has already reached 30,000 km. He is pleased with many advantages of the car, of which he especially notes good, as for its class, handling and a small turning radius. In addition, a well-tuned power steering, high ground clearance, as well as easy operation of the clutch and accelerator pedals give him the opportunity to drive quite confidently.
Impressive ground clearance - many Datsun owners highlight this parameter. And Victor is no exception.
It also highlights the quick heating of the cabin in the cold, a huge trunk, high-quality optics, and also the excellent work of the suspension, which quietly swallows small pits and bumps. Victor had no problems starting in cold weather. In addition, he suggests that many parts should come with Grants, which will reduce the cost of an already not too expensive service.
Sergey
Sergey became the owner of he-Do in 2014, having bought it in the Kursk car dealership. His choice fell on an 82-horsepower sedan with "mechanics". He admits that one of the most important arguments, in addition to the price, was the volume of the trunk, since Sergey travels a lot by car and often uses the car for work. And now the mileage on the odometer is 16,000 km. But in general, he-DO is a modern budget car with all the basic amenities.
A huge trunk is one of the reasons why Sergey bought On-Do.
Among other things, Sergey notes the low cost of TO, since TO-1 cost him only 4,500 rubles. He is satisfied with the reliability, and the options of technical assistance along the way and free diagnostics before a long trip guarantee him a safe trip.
Negative Feedback
They are also sufficient. Nevertheless, it is worthwhile to understand that some owners of he-Do simply make excessive demands on the car. For example, they complain about the lack of dynamics, forgetting that there are 82 or 87 hp engines under the hood. s., and the like. In addition, it should be clarified that many negative reviews are related precisely to the work of dealers, who often impose additional supplements on buyers, avoid replacing components under warranty, preferring to repair defective components, overestimate the cost of maintenance and spare parts, etc.
The attitude of Datsun dealers is the source of many problems and negative reviews.
Yes, and the already noted car owners complain about some points. So, Oleg from Moscow draws attention to the fragility of plastic latches, the weakness of the paintwork and the hum from the air conditioning compressor. Nikita from Aktobe has complaints about the accuracy of the checkpoint and the dealer's attitude towards customers. Victor from Yekaterinburg blames the noise of the checkpoint and poor sound insulation. Sergei from Kursk does not like the driver's seat, in which he can not find a comfortable fit.
Dmitriy
Dmitry became the owner of he-Do in October 2014, when he bought a sedan with a manual transmission and an 87-horsepower engine in a car dealership in the city of Tyumen. The total mileage was 12,000 km. At the moment, he has several reasons to be unhappy with his choice. The car "eats" oil - about 500 ml per 1,000 km, which is clearly not normal for a new car. After winter, crickets appear in the cabin. Sometimes a crunch is heard from the box, and paint flying off even from small pebbles upsets, especially since even the dealer cannot cover the chip with paint, because there is no paint available.
The need to constantly add oil is one of the problems Dmitry faced.
In general, the negative reviews show that there are practically no serious defects in the Datsun on-Do. However, owners periodically come across cars with poorly conducted pre-sale preparation, which results in minor unpleasant moments, which are only exacerbated by the reluctance of a significant number of dealerships to eliminate them.
In the presented video from the real owner of the Datsun on-Do, some moments of the operation of the machine are highlighted:
More than three years have passed since the moment when Datsun cars appeared on the market. Therefore, according to Russian law, these cars are officially considered second-hand. The experts of the AvtoVzglyad portal found out how problematic Japanese sedans and hatchbacks of Russian origin are in operation.
It is not a secret for many that the Datsun on-DO is a sedan LADA Granta refurbished externally, and the mi-Do is a refined version of the domestic LADA Kalina, while the technical filling of the cars is the same. Therefore, we have in fact a product of the Togliatti automobile plant, slightly seasoned with Japanese marketing sauce. But under it, as already mentioned, the same aggregate basis as that of Grants and Kalina. At the same time, a lot of things in the "Japanese" have been improved compared to their Russian counterparts. In addition to the transformed appearance and interior, many components, mechanisms and individual parts of the sedan and hatchback have undergone a thorough revision.
According to one of their Datsun technical representatives, more than 1,000 elements of the machine survived the fine-tuning. Indeed, compared with the same "Grant" and "Kalina", the Japanese sedan and hatchback have become noticeably quieter on the go - their sound insulation is more efficient, the engine is idling smoother and quieter, the mechanical boxes have partially got rid of the characteristic transmission "howl", and the gears turn on more clearly and with less effort. In general, in Datsun on-DO and mi-Do, attention to detail is felt in comparison with their Russian prototypes.
However, as the classics said, you can’t go far on the carriage of the past. After all, it is difficult to make a competitive modern car out of cars that were developed more than 15 years ago. All the flaws and shortcomings of their design invariably pop up in the Datsun on-DO / mi-Do. So, for example, many owners are strained, like in domestic prototypes, by swinging open 90 degrees front doors. Not only can they be easily damaged by an obstacle in the immediate vicinity. And if it’s an expensive car parked nearby, then it’s even easier than ever to get money.
The bodywork comes with a 6-year factory warranty against perforation corrosion. On the one hand, very good. On the other hand, some specimens of Datsun on-DO and mi-Do may bloom with rusty spots after the first Russian winter. And not only the characteristic elements of the body, such as wheel arches and sills, but almost all the details - doors, hood, fenders and even the roof. Yes, yes, this sometimes happens, although it does not have the character of an epidemic. Often the windshield wiper trapezoid (1500 rubles) fails, the door locks do not work well and are fixed, the windshield is quickly scratched. Most likely, this is the fault of allies. But the consumer still has to deal with it.
Electrical failures also occur. Moreover, they intersect with similar problems on the "Grant" and "Kalina". The climate control unit may be moping, the wipers electric motor may fail, or the lamps in the lighting fixtures burn out with enviable frequency. By the way, one electrical incident also happened on the test Datsun on-DO. The fog lights didn't want to turn off. Even when the engine was turned off, the ignition was turned off, and the car was armed, the fog lights continued to shine. Switching the node on and off again did nothing.
I had to remove the negative terminal from the battery and wait until the morning, because it was already late in the evening. The next day, having dismantled the block for switching light modes, they put it back - the foglights still continue to “burn”. In general, we decided to pull out the appropriate fuses, but before that we checked again - the headlights turned off by themselves. As the servicemen would say, a “walking” malfunction ... After that, I no longer used the foglights until I returned the car to the dealer.
As for the engines, on-DO gasoline 8-valve engines with a volume of 1.6 liters with a capacity of 82 and 87 liters were installed. with., as well as a 106-horsepower 16-valve. At the same time, mi-DO was content with only an 87-strong “four”. Eight-valve units are generally reliable. True, on some instances of Datsun, increased oil consumption was noticed. Valve covers can leak with age. However, the repair costs mere pennies - just install a new gasket or put the cover on the sealant. The timing belt is prescribed to be changed every 75,000 km, but mechanics recommend thinking about updating it after 50,000 km. It is advisable to change the water pump (2,300 rubles) along with the timing belt - it usually fails after 100,000 km. The fact is that a leaky pump can jam and then cut off the teeth on the driven belt.
If such a malfunction occurs with a 106-horsepower engine, then the valves will meet with the pistons and the engine will be overhauled. This "four", by the way, is noticeably more capricious in operation compared to the "eight-valve".
On all engines, spark plugs and ignition coils, oxygen sensors (1900 rubles each) and mass air flow (from 2800 rubles) periodically fail. Often the ECU engine control unit is buggy, because of which the engine suddenly stalls and refuses to start again. Over time, the crankshaft and camshaft oil seals begin to leak - it’s good if the front ones. To replace the rear crankshaft sensor, you will have to remove the clutch.
By the way, the clutch assembly usually nurses up to 100,000 km. True, on Datsuns, sometimes by 30,000 km it may be necessary to replace the clutch disc. Although it is better to update the entire mechanism with a basket and release bearing. The five-speed “mechanics” traditionally wear second gear synchronizers. This sore was not only on the Grant and Kalina, but also on the VAZ cars of the tenth family. That's heredity. But repairing the box is inexpensive - from 12,000 rubles.
The Jatco automatic transmission, which at first was installed only on hatchbacks, and since the fall of 2016 on Datsun sedans, is ancient, but hassle-free. You only need to change the oil in it every 60,000 km, and it will easily outlive the engine.
The suspension of Datsun on-DO and mi-Do is simple in design, energy intensive and durable. At risk are rear wheel bearings, which nurse 50,000 km. But the front endure twice as long. If the steering rack taps, it is enough just to tighten the lock nuts with a special wrench. True, the electric amplifier sometimes fails - the mechanism suddenly stops working, but after a while it can again be in service as if nothing had happened.
... In general, both Datsuns cannot boast of exemplary reliability. However, even pensioners and students can afford the maintenance of a sedan and hatchback, and spare parts cost mere pennies compared to foreign cars. After all, we repeat once again, this is, in fact, the same LADA Granta and Kalina.
